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| I like your theory a lot, Stone. After all, it was proven in episode 23 that Peter couldn't control his other powers, which is why he couldn't fly himself to blow up in the sky. It would make sense if he couldn't control his healing as well during, and even soon after, the explosion. Perhaps we will see Peter wake up half in the water and half on shore with a bar dug into his face. After all, in New York, the shores of the Hudson and The East rivers aren't exactly beaches. There's a good chance he could wake up next to a factory or some buildings if Nathan did indeed fling him into, or near, the water. |
peter said he couldn't control his power that he absorbed, and then he told Nathan that he couldn't do anything, i think he was referring to the fact that he couldn't use any of his other powers. and if ur suggesting that he gets a nice sized scar from the fall from the sky, im gonna have to argue. cause that would mean that in the "5 Years Gone" episode, peter would have to had exploded in the air, not on the ground and not killing millions of people, and then he would have to fall from the explosion in the air and hit the ground.
so i dont think he got that scar from there...
i think his scar was purely because in that timeline (before hiro went back to tell peter to save the cheerleader save the world) peter had never met claire and sylar got to her before he did. Which means that sylar was able to heal himself after hiro stabbed him and peter somehow ended up with a scar cause he doesn't have rapid cell regeneration.
Hiro went back to change the timeline, but he seems to have seen again that he cant change major events only minor. (by again i mean that he wasnt able to save charlie, but he was able to go in the past and have people remember him from 6 months earlier) so it seemes that he was only able to change a little events.
So all Future hiro was able to change by delivering the message was Peter getting the healing power but keeping the scar (since it seems to be more major) and sylar got no power, but survived.
And as far as the whole timeline thing goes, i think that depending on who u are and your original place in the timeline. Future Hiro couldnt change his past, but present Hiro can change his future. THE FUTURE IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE!... but the past is..
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: |
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JJ802, BINGO! you hit the nail on the head, nothing else need be said after this, and i cut and paste ..............
As far as the scar goes. I don't think he'll get one. Not the one we saw at least and probably not any. I think that scar was specific to a timeline where he didn't have Claire's ability. That is unless he remains unable to use his abilities for a while...
Specific to a time line that is now changed!
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I would say that going Nuclear would take a whole hell of a lot more out of our hero than did his encounter with Sylar, and the chance of his powers not working increases accordingly. That's how he gets the scar - - Maybe he wakes up in his fall back to earth as his body begins to heal it's self and, realizing his brother has sacrificed himself to save him, combined with the shock to his system in the aftermath of his having exploded, his Empathic Mimcry just shuts down -- no healing, no flight, no nothing. So he gets this scar when he does a faceplant on that sacred balcony on the Deveaux Building. |
I like your theory a lot, Stone. After all, it was proven in episode 23 that Peter couldn't control his other powers, which is why he couldn't fly himself to blow up in the sky. It would make sense if he couldn't control his healing as well during, and even soon after, the explosion. Perhaps we will see Peter wake up half in the water and half on shore with a bar dug into his face. After all, in New York, the shores of the Hudson and The East rivers aren't exactly beaches. There's a good chance he could wake up next to a factory or some buildlings if Nathan did indeed fling him into, or near, the water. |
Good theory, but here's the problem: Peter from the original timeline had the scar. That's why F. Hiro commented on our Peter not having it. Original timeline Peter never blew up. In his timeline, Sylar actually was the bomb. He must have received the scar in some other manner. (Of course, since he didn't have Claire's healing, he would just keep the scar.) Since he received the scar through other means, this implies the explosion wasn't what will give our Peter the scar (assuming - in this new timeline - that he even gets the scar. |
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| .How, though, did he "picture" Claire to tap her power and bring himself back to life when he was dead? Isn't this how Peter himself has described how he uses the powers he mimics? If anyone can clear this up for me, please do . . . . |
He said he remembered Claire right before he hit the taxi, just as he realized he was going to die.
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My theory is that "remembering people" is just a crutch Peter uses. Much the same as Sylar's hand waves and Hiro's concentration squint. He remembered Claire because probably another fall flashed thru his mind and he survived that one because of her healing ability. I think the healing ability is automatic. And it's not so much borrowed as a part of Peter now...just as all the other powers are. He would have survived if Claude had knocked him out before throwing him off the building. After all, I don't think Claire looks at her hand and thinks real hard, "Heal!" Also, she came back to life after a "death" much like Peter's. That would show the power is automatic.
In time (maybe even now - at least with invisibility), Peter won't need that crutch to access his powers and will just be able to focus on the power itself to use it. |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: |
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i think his scar was purely because in that timeline (before hiro went back to tell peter to save the cheerleader save the world) peter had never met claire and sylar got to her before he did. Which means that sylar was able to heal himself after hiro stabbed him and peter somehow ended up with a scar cause he doesn't have rapid cell regeneration.
Hiro went back to change the timeline, but he seems to have seen again that he cant change major events only minor. (by again i mean that he wasnt able to save charlie, but he was able to go in the past and have people remember him from 6 months earlier) so it seemes that he was only able to change a little events.
So all Future hiro was able to change by delivering the message was Peter getting the healing power but keeping the scar (since it seems to be more major) and sylar got no power, but survived.
And as far as the whole timeline thing goes, i think that depending on who u are and your original place in the timeline. Future Hiro couldnt change his past, but present Hiro can change his future. THE FUTURE IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE!... but the past is..
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Well the past obviously isn't written in stone because changes can be made. Whether they are major or minor changes is only point of view. I'm sure Claire would think the "save the cheerleader" changes were major. It doesn't make any sense for something to exist just because it existed prior to a timeline change. (And why would a scar be considered major?)
Even though I don't believe it myself, I'll grant that there may be some momentum to the time stream (at least in the way TPTB are writing the show), but that just means some other event gives Peter the scar; he wouldn't still have it just because (if he still gets it.)
The past, present and future are subjective to the time traveler. When F. Hiro came back to talk to Peter, his "past" became his present. And by giving Peter his mission, he changed the future. The same applies to Hiro and Ando when they came back from the future.
Hiro's been changing things again. I doubt the whole Sylar breaking the sword thing happened the last time. Remember, F. Hiro was surprised Hiro and Ando showed up, "You're not supposed to be here." Everything they did after returning to the present was changing time and causing minor ripples that spread. Maybe the combination of a live Claire being disappointed in Nathan and Hiro calling him a villain was what pushed Nathan's conscience hard enough to save the city. That would be a major change, BTW. |
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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dude, sylar never exploded... it was always peter...
and im saying that a character in a timeline can change his or her future, the people who changed the future that was ment to be were characters of the current timeline. when someone from the future tries to directly change the past, it will never work. only people who havent expirienced the event can change it. |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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dude, sylar never exploded... it was always peter...
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The very first time (loop), Sylar exploded.
Future Hiro saw it/said it himself, and it said so in the Graphic Novel. |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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dude, sylar never exploded... it was always peter...
and im saying that a character in a timeline can change his or her future, the people who changed the future that was ment to be were characters of the current timeline. when someone from the future tries to directly change the past, it will never work. only people who havent expirienced the event can change it. |
That makes no sense. Yet another victim of Back to the Future. 
It shouldn't matter where (or when) a person comes from. If he's living and breathing at a certain time, he's living in his subjective present...and any changes he makes will change his subjective future. That's what Hiro did the 1st time and that's what Hiro and Ando are doing this time.
It doesn't matter if said person goes forward in time again. He just goes into the future he has created. Don't anthropomorphize the time stream. What people care about and feel is important doesn't matter. |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree, PJames. Wasn't it Future Hiro who said, in relation to time, "It's people that matter"? No loops, no rifts, just people and what they do. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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According to spoilers
someone will suffer from memory loss in Season 2.
Well, I'm going to join the group that thinks it's Peter. Why? Because my theory is that:
THIS IS HOW PETER GETS HIS SCAR! His memory loss prevents him from remembering that he can heal!
What's even crazier is I think that Kaito is the one to give Peter the scar. You can read about my full theory HERE.
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