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Who survived the boom?
Peter, he regenerated
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Nathan, He threw Peter before he exploded
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Both Peter and Nathan survive
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Both Peter and Nathan are dead
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, you're not being dumb at all. I agree, and that situation is what I would like to call "character stupidity." The writers weren't allowing Claire or Peter to think straight - well, Claire at least, because she was the one acting as if Peter would be dead forever if she shot him in the head. If they opened up Peter's head and removed the bullet, then there's a good chance that he would have been revived.

However, if Hiro chopped off Peter's head... now that would be a different story.



You're both missing the point.


Peter wanted Claire to put him down FOR GOOD.

In a way that he could NEVER regenerate, and thus NEVER explode.


THAT is why it was difficult for her.


Okay, so let's say that was the case. Claire shoots Peter. Peter dies. There's not much that he can do if Claire (or anybody else for that matter) decides they want Peter alive again and takes the bullet out of his skull. He's going to heal automatically regardless.

My other question is - why couldnt he shoot himself in the back of the head? Is it because the gun would have been too close, and the bullet would have gone through his head, thus rendering the bullet-lodged-in-the-head method useless since Peter would just heal the hole anyway?



I took it to mean he wanted his head blown off. No way back, gone forever. I suppose its up for interpretation though.


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Adrian Pasdar was like a guarantee when they said he wasnt coming back... sorry, nate is a goner...

also i think nathan just wanted to escape his mother and truly be remembered for something great. i think he knew that his congressman and presidency was not going to last.

and as far as peter goes, i think he will be fine and scarless. i think he wont have it because in 5 years gone he never met claire, then they changed the timeline a bit, and he met claire and got her power, but it didnt seem to effect his scar.

with that said... i dont think peter has much to worry about since in the 5 years gone plot he didnt have regeneration abilities when he blew up new york.



Peter did have Claire's powers in FYG.

Its stated in the episode and the graphic novel.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes he had her powers, but thats after hiro changed that part of the timeline...

im saying WHEN the explosion originally happened and sylar killed claire and sylar could regenerate when hiro stabbed him, peter never met claire, sylar killed her before he got to meet her. then peter blew up new york and had a scar, then hiro tried to change it, so he went back and told peter to save the cheerleader.... Peter saves the cheerleader, sylar doesnt have regenerating abilities, peter does... but the scar remained.


sorry acid, last i read, nathan wasn't returning. i guess we are gonna meet someone who raises the dead!

oo... that will be amazing, maybe thats why sylar returns!
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotchya.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AcidTWister wrote:
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Adrian Pasdar was like a guarantee when they said he wasnt coming back... sorry, nate is a goner...


Actually, Adrian Pasdar's signed on for season 2.


Acidman's right on this one.

However, here's my twist on things. Just because Adrian Pasdar is signed for season 2 doesn't mean that Nathan survives the explosion. If Sylar survives, which is very likely, and he still wants to become presdient, then they might need Adrian's body if Sylar does absorb Candice and continues in Nathan's footsteps as Nathan 2.0.

After all, Adrian Pasdar was in "Five Years Gone," but was 'NATHAN' in the episode? No. It was Sylar all along.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm in the Peter lives, but Nathan is dead camp.

That said, I didn't particularly like the resolution. My expectations for the writers and creative team have been very high. So.....

Why couldnt they just jam a sharp stick into his head, then pull it out after he has simmered down (lierally)?

In other words, they acted like there were only two options: Peter dying, or Nathan dying, when that wasn't actually the case.

A better conflict resolution would have been:

Peter starts to go off, BUT ... his newfound strength, and his belief in himself and what he is doing allows him to "control" the power, allowing him to respond to Sylar that he is NOT the villain.

Sylar gets really pissed, and wants that big boom, he's unhinged. If Peter won't explode, then he will. Hiro ports in for the kill shot, but it's not fast enough. He stabs him, but Sylar sends him flying, and the chain reaction in his body has already started.

He is dying, but it will be a "special" death. With his last strength he holds Peter at bay telekinetically while the explosion builds. But he is so intent on his big moment, and Peter, that he doesnt see Nathan rocket in to grab him. Before he can react Nathan has him miles up in the air. Nathan was a hero after all.

And they still could have found a way to bring Sylar back.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petrelli Boys (Part of the final splash page from GN #34 by Jason Badower)
That doesn't look like a dying Nathan to me Wink He doesn't even look bothered by the fact that Peter is spewing off radiation lol.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AcidBurn133 wrote:
Petrelli Boys (Part of the final splash page from GN #34 by Jason Badower)
That doesn't look like a dying Nathan to me Wink He doesn't even look bothered by the fact that Peter is spewing off radiation lol.


While i've gone over to the idea that nathan may have survived (Kristin pointing out that the script calls for Nathan throwing Pete into the ocean raised my hopes a bit) the graphic novel may not have anything to do with it.

After all, Nathan grabbed Pete from the front, not from behind. So accuracy isn't that picture's forte at the moment.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also another possibility here.

Everyone assumed that because Tawny Cypress had been posted for showing in the finale that it meant that Simone wasn't dead.

However, all it meant was that she was there for the flashback Peter has.

Thus, even though Adrian Pasdar has signed on for season 2, this doesn't mean that Nathan survives the blast.

It could very well mean that he's going to be there for backstory. After all, it's called Generations, correct? We're going to be seeing not only the past, but the future. There's no guarantee that Nathan will be in the 'future' episodes, but he is pretty well assumed to be in the 'past' episodes they'll be showing.

Does that make sense?
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jormengrund wrote:
There's also another possibility here.

Everyone assumed that because Tawny Cypress had been posted for showing in the finale that it meant that Simone wasn't dead.

However, all it meant was that she was there for the flashback Peter has.

Thus, even though Adrian Pasdar has signed on for season 2, this doesn't mean that Nathan survives the blast.

It could very well mean that he's going to be there for backstory. After all, it's called Generations, correct? We're going to be seeing not only the past, but the future. There's no guarantee that Nathan will be in the 'future' episodes, but he is pretty well assumed to be in the 'past' episodes they'll be showing.

Does that make sense?


Hehe... I also suggested that if Sylar lives on (which is likely) and continues his pursuit of the presidency (with or without Angela's help), writers may need Adrian's body if Sylar absorbs Candice and transforms into "Nathan." Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

popkorn615 wrote:
Jormengrund wrote:
There's also another possibility here.

Everyone assumed that because Tawny Cypress had been posted for showing in the finale that it meant that Simone wasn't dead.

However, all it meant was that she was there for the flashback Peter has.

Thus, even though Adrian Pasdar has signed on for season 2, this doesn't mean that Nathan survives the blast.

It could very well mean that he's going to be there for backstory. After all, it's called Generations, correct? We're going to be seeing not only the past, but the future. There's no guarantee that Nathan will be in the 'future' episodes, but he is pretty well assumed to be in the 'past' episodes they'll be showing.

Does that make sense?


Hehe... I also suggested that if Sylar lives on (which is likely) and continues his pursuit of the presidency (with or without Angela's help), writers may need Adrian's body if Sylar absorbs Candice and transforms into "Nathan." Wink


The only problem with this is that in FYG, we know the main reason that Nathan ascended to the presidency was due to his great leadership after the disaster that was the decimation of NYC. Now, I would say that a Junior Congressman from NYC with no real political background is going to have a hard time getting there. And I still don't think Sylar is savy enough (even with Angela's help) to make all the right moves. I would think if Sylar wanted to become president and had Candice's ability, he would simply go to the current President and kill him and take his place. Why would he need to take Nathan's place?

And along these lines, he could be the President until he was too old....by simply changing into the next elected president.
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