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Tonight's episodes gave us a lot of clues on how time travel will operate in Heroes. The following list are tid-bits that I gleaned from episode 9.

1. The writers follow the single timeline theory.
2. A time traveler can make some changes to the timeline, but it remains internally consistent to prevent a paradox (Hiro can't save Charlie, for instance, because it would cause a paradox and prevent him from traveling back to save her).
3. Ando is somehow aware of the timeline changes.

If you have anything else to add, please feel free to do so.

bugmuncher · Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:43 am Post subject:

It would seem that Peter Petrelli is also aware of the changes, like Ando.

I say this because nobody in the diner seemed to notice that Hiro had disappeared. Since they found nothing out of the ordinary and also didn't recognize Ando as "Hiro's friend" even though they knew Hiro pretty well, it raises questions about how those people perceived Ando - did he enter with Hiro, or did he come alone?

But Peter calls Ando to talk about Hiro - making him separate from the people in the diner, who only knew that Hiro left town a few weeks before.

Or maybe that's not the same thing. I don't know...

Protagonist · Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:53 am Post subject:

There is a kink in the single timeline theory. That kink is future Ando when Hiro first goes to future New York and finds out about the coming bomb or whatever and calls Ando in the future to tell him that he travelled in time. He finds out he has been gone in that time (but Ando has not), comes back in time and takes Ando with him.

In this new divergent timeline, he will also change the future that he previously witnessed and was a part of. The key to the timeline is that the timeline follows the person who can manipulate time (as in all matters of time travel) and Hiro's choice to leave Ando and to come back to Ando left this timeline intact. His only other choice was to lose Ando and restart back to before they met the waitress (taking more jumps) to make it right. Then we get into questions of whether he can meet himself and let himself know to jump in the past and so on (as past Hiro would have to "get out of the way" for future Hiro if he wanted to do that).[/i]

longhairdfreak · Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject:

I think Masdog is on the right track, with this train of thought, HOWEVER... if he is correct, then new york will have to be destroyed as well. It would appear the writers for the show are going to, and for simplicities sake, have to pick and choose from different theories, and let the real science go out the window. I suppose we could explain the fact that ando and peter are aware of changes in the timeline by saying it is some unknown subconscious aspect of hiro's power, to allow a certain few to be aware of what is changing, but not others...otherwise the people of the diner would have recognized hiro when he came into the resturant. If he was with Charlie for 5 months and had only been gone 3 weeks, well, he would have had a bigger welcome. So from their perspective, only ando came in at all... this could get very complicated very fast...

masdog · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:48 am Post subject:

masdog · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:54 am Post subject:

oxigen · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:36 am Post subject:

i just realised what you guys said, that hiro should've been greeted... but once he travelled to the past, photo taken and appeared from nowhere on the board
---> according to this, not only future but past is not determined (if someone - who can travel back - travels back and makes a change)

- my problem: after the pic appearde (or changed, doesn't matter) and that waitress remembers him
then why doesn't she realise that it was him with Ando? like "oh how stupid i am, i almost didn't recognise him" or something

and a

OFF

scootch · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject:

if it follows a single timeline, ando would have also teleported back to japan.

jjafargi · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject:

scootch · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject:

^^ 24 minus commercials would still work. but that only leaves for a few hours of sleep. lol...check this out
lets say 15 mins of 24's episodes are commercials.

15min * 24 (episodes) = 360 min
360 min * 4 (seasons) = 1440 min
1440 min * (1/60)[hours/min] = 24 hours. eek

24 hours of commercials.

anyway, back to topic (sorry about that by the way)

i just think we are reading a little too deep into the time traveling thing. unless they explain it (which i think they will), we should just assume a very simple single timeline without complications.

jjafargi · Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:35 am Post subject:

oxigen · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:38 am Post subject:

TheGoodNamesAreTaken · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:13 am Post subject:

20 bucks says Charlie forgets hiro, because the hatian "deletes" her memory. And hopefully tonights episode will give some insight on who the hatian really is. But why would they kill off Hiro's love interest, so far he and peter are the most heroic, and Peter has Simone(think thats how you spell it.)?