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Buckaroo · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:36 am Post subject:

That all makes sense, but note I wrote that *before* Hiro displayed his ability to manipulate time on a local scale. And you are right - We know the explosion happens, there is no reason the explosion cannot un-happen.

Note also that the heroes do not yet realise they are unable to change the future and are doing their best to try and stop it.

I am still unsure how to interpret Hiro's experiments in the diner. At worst, he change irrelevent details. The waitress got the book of him rather than an anonymous stranger, Hiro was elsewhere when she died rather than being in the diner, and she still died.

At best, him going back in time was predestined, an unovoidable future event - He needed to go back to fill in the grey parts of history - *somebody* special to the waitress needed to give her the book, and that funny stuff with him being in the diner for her murder and then not having been there is just an unpreventable local anomoly, or a flaw in the script-writing. Wink

That deal with the book always had a cludgy feel to it, the need of a future entity needing to manipulate the past to cement it into reality works for me.

Precognition is a powerful ability - knowing what is going to happen allows you to plan for that event, and to make provisions for it. For instance, they know Isaac dies in his apartment, probably killed by the hands of Sylar. There is nothing to indicate Sylar was able to escape from the possible trap the other heroes laid for him.

Silvereyes · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:24 am Post subject:

I don't think that the future is 'set in stone' or that it's impossible for the Heroes to change the future, or the past. Let's take stock:

a) Hiro teleports five weeks into the future, thus effectively vanishing from the world for that time. So, when he calls Ando, he's been "missing" for five weeks. Then, Hiro teleports five weeks back, and not only removes Ando from being able to take the call by removing him from Japan in general, but also makes it so that he's not "missing", but on vacation - as his co-workers said when he accidentally teleported to Japan at the end of Six Months Ago.

b) When Hiro and Ando go into the diner, the birthday photo shows Charlie on her own, and nobody recognizes Hiro, not even Charlie. However, when Hiro teleports six months into the future, he changes a few things: the photo, for example, and everyone in the diner gets to know him. This may seem strange, but I think it's based on a system of local time 'loops'. Let's say that when Hiro and Ando went into the diner, that was the first 'loop', before Hiro went back. Then, later on in the night, Hiro made the jump, thus causing a second 'loop' - a loop which had Hiro present at the diner six months ago, and which caused changes in the past, and therefore the present as well. However, these changes didn't occur until after Hiro made the jump, and it only effected the local people, the people who would have been effected by him being at the diner - their memories were changed, because they'd come into contact with him during the jump. Ando, however, was separate, so the new 'loop' didn't change him - so he recognized differences like the photo. Like most time-travel based things, this is really complicated, and I don't think I've really explained it properly, but, oh well...

c) Then, there's one discrepancy I can think of between two different glimpses at the future. When Hiro teleported into futrue New York, the place was just as bustling as it would have been on an ordinary day; then, when Peter starts having his own dreams, it appears to be empty apart from himself and the other Heroes.

d) While we're on the subject, Peter's dream seems to be inaccurate in other ways; he dreams that he sees Hiro and Ando together, but as of episode 16, Unexpected, Hiro has sent Ando back to Japan, so he shouldn't be in New York. Also, Peter sees Isaac and Simone together - which is kinda disrupted by Isaac having shot Simone in the chest. Twice. (Although, there are the points that the Simone from the dream is a shapeshifter, and it does look like Ando and Hiro are together in the Parasite preview... I'm not terribly certain, but it's still strange.)

.Vault · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:32 am Post subject:

we dont know though.... cause hiro has his sword back and now he is capable of doing n e thing...

emmylikewhoa · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:15 am Post subject:

We still havnt seen hiro go back to the dinosaur time yet, im really wondering about that...

admeister · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: .

It should happen soon enough, should be a cool episode indeed. The sword seems to be fairly important, the future Hiro has it, after all. It's like his focus, allowing him to control (or at least use) his powers.

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pjamese3 · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:26 am Post subject:

The changing photo doesn't necessarily prove a single timeline. It's hard to do this without a whiteboard, but let's try: It works with branching timelines as well. When Hiro arrived 6 months in the past, he branched off from his original Charlie timeline. He stayed 5+ months and then teleported to Japan (apparently without time traveling.) He returned to find Ando - who had been waiting at the diner for Hiro.

Ando: The branching of the timeline didn't really affect him. He and Hiro did everything exactly the same up to the diner. Charlie apparently stayed in the diner (maybe waiting for Hiro to come back herself) and greeted them. She may have been teasing Hiro at first with the Japanese book (or their reception might have been slightly different), but because there's no mention of her knowing Hiro, we'll assume it followed closely to the original. When Ando saw Hiro and Charlie's picture, he didn't say, "that picture is different from the other one". He just was surprised and somewhat happy that Hiro made it to the past. There's nothing about that which specifies the single timeline theory. Single and multiple timelines can't really be diferentiated. The effects of the timelines upon returning to the present from the past are identical.