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PaulLev · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:22 am Post subject:

[quote="masdog"]

Lavi

forgive me if this has been stated before....
Hiro makes an observation about Peter looking different without the scar. Now, in the last ep. we see previews of him going nuclear...a preminition (without a scar). Its obvious to say in one sense that new york doenst blow up because this is hollywood and the good guys always win but, on the other hand its obvious that Pete lives to get hurt again an aquire the scar.
Is this a glitch in the how time travel is perceived in this show? Hiro must have known that pete dies (without the scar) if the cheerleader, after all save the cheerleader save the world, hadnt survived with new york blowing up and all. So, why so much importance on this meeting on the train if he knew the outcome?
I hope i was clear in communicating my thoughts on this one...its all complicated to me.
please someone clarify this one for me

PaulLev

masdog

MTF · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: Two Timelines/Two Sylars theory

This theory has probably already been proposed here, but I couldn't find a thread on it either on search or looking through the list, so ignore this if this is not new.

My theory on the show is that there are two timelines, much like in the original Terminator: An original timeline, and an altered, second timeline. The latter is what we are watching now on the show, and it has been altered by future Hiro and future Sylar, both of whom traveled back in time and are in the present world with their present counterparts.

Obviously we all know that the present is being altered by Hiro, both when he went back and changed Charlie's story and by changing Peter's path. But I think there is a broader relationship with the story as a whole.

Here's the story: A young Sylar has one power, and was the first to figure it out because he was found by Chandra, who was the first to realize the possibility. Because of Chandra, Sylar knew there were other heroes out there, and Sylar somehow figured out a way to take their powers by doing something to their brains. So in 2006, young evil Sylar begins increasing his powers by tracking the heroes (before the heroes even fully know about their powers) and taking their brains. Thus, the telekinesis guy, the parents of the girl, and Charlie were killed, already giving Sylar telekinetic power, iceman powers, memory powers, and (it appears) super speed. At this point in 2006, the only ones who really know something about the importance of their powers are Hiro and Isaac, because their powers let them see the future. Because of this, they have a better ability to avoid Sylar, and Isaac and Hiro are the last ones to die (Isaac clearly dies just before the explosion, as shown in Hiro's future travel).

On the original timeline, Sylar kills Claire, Nathan, and just about everyone else, because they simply were not prepared for an evil person with powers who was tracking them down. They were only just learning about their powers themselves.

Hiro is most on top of things (from the start, he knew of the importance of his powers and that he needed to stop the future vision he saw), and figures out what Sylar is doing, but it is too late - Sylar is too powerful in the future. So as a last-ditch effort before Sylar kills him, "future Hiro" travels back in time to get a message to Peter-- to connect with Isaac and "present Hiro" and to save the cheerleader, which is obviously one of the most important powers that Sylar originally took, as it makes it very hard to kill him.

However, "future Sylar" had just killed Peter and taken his power before Hiro went back in time. Because of this, when future Hiro escapes future Sylar during their future battle by traveling back in time to change the past (and future), Sylar uses his Peter power to absorb Hiro's time travel powers to go back and prevent history from changing.

Thus, the current timeline we are watching is being altered as we speak. Future Hiro gave Peter information that enabled him to connect with Isaac (which he otherwise wouldn't have done that early on, shown by him leaving Isaac's house on the subway in the first place), and this has set off a chain reaction. Peter has now changed the future by saving the cheerleader, and Peter--now in full awareness of the importance of his role--is connecting with present day heroes to ultimate save the world.

Meanwhile, future Sylar has traveled back in time as well. He doesn't know where Hiro is, but obviously is trying to stop him. Thus, in the present show, there are two Sylars - present Sylar, who is still gaining powers, and future Sylar, who is almost all-powerful.

The Sylar we saw at the police station is future Sylar. For some reason we don't know yet, the little girl is important. Here parents were killed by present Sylar, but he didn't know that a girl survived. Sylar ultimately found out, so one of the first things he did when he traveled back was go to get her power as well. Thus, the Sylar at the police station is future Sylar. We know this because he appeared much more powerful than the present day Sylar we have seen. The Sylar at the police station seemed impervious to bullets (either had DL's power or Claire's power or both's), seemed like he could fly (nathan's power), and I think did other things that were more advanced-seeming than the present Sylar.

In many ways, this is similar to the Terminator story - man travels back in time to save the world from future events, and the enemy follows him back to stop him.

Anyway, just a theory, and I'm sure there are plenty of holes, and perhaps this is all obvious to everyone anyway and has been thoroughly discussed. But I thought it was worth posting in case nobody had thought of it yet.

haylawowd · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject:

I have a headache. lol

Good theory, though.

BYD · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject:

good theory--merging into time travel thread

jjafargi · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject:

Wow, that theory is INSANE but entirely possible...congrats! yeah

masdog

MTF

Payquage · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:18 am Post subject:

Masdog, what does "jump the shark" mean? I'm one of the geezers here, so some of these things go over my head.

MTF, I like the idea. I can't quite reconcile it with Hiro not being able to change the past to save Charlie, but maybe it's like you said, he just didn't have the control to do it, or the aneurysm would have gotten her anyway. I like your idea as an explanation for why Sylar seemed so tough to catch when Matt and Audrey were trying to protect Molly.

Hack-it-like-Micah · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject:

I like the theory... but it just seems just too out there... If I was a writer and I read this and it was true... I'd take the show in a whole different direction just to make sure youre wrong

masdog · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: