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Protagonist Dreams of Flying...


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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: The power of the symbol and Peter's mimicry |
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The common thought is that Peter can mimic powers when he is close to someone else who has powers. This has been proven when he flies/hovers when near Nathan, paints the future when near Isaac, walks in stopped time when near Hiro, and heals himself when near Claire.
There is one time when he uses his power and his is not proximal to any Hero. When in the hospital bed, he draws himself hovering on the rooftop before it happens. The problem with this mimicry is that it happens the next day after he sees Isaac, his eyes are not glossed over as the other time when he paints next to Isaac, and he is of course not next to Isaac when he does it. He himself points to this as an example of a time when he drew the future.
But there is another key about this time. He drew the little RNA symbol on the top right of the picture before he drew the rest of the picture. This scene occurs just before Hiro walks in on a dead Isaac in a loft full of RNA symbols. Does that symbol have power in itself? Is that why it is on the sword? Is that why it is on the comic book?
When Isaac is drawing the comic book 9th Wonder, he is not seeing the future, but rather the past. When Peter is drawing in the hospital room, he is not painting but rather drawing rather crudely in stick figures. Can the symbol get you partway? I know this works against the science part of the show and goes more into fiction/fantasy. Either way, Peter's drawing in the hospital room does not fit, as Peter's flying with Simone's dad in his dream and in a way that Simone's dad could go with him doesn't fit. Also, Isaac had a painting of Peter flying with wings in his loft, but Peter did not fly, Nathan did. Peter fell and Nathan flew and caught him. Peter did hover, but flew in his dreams.
I do think Peter will fly in the future. His powers are somewhat untapped, and something did happen with Simone's father. I just don't think it will actually happen in Peter's future if that makes sense. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Well we know his mimicry lingers for an known amount of time. We see him re-arrange his foot and ankle right when the cops show up, with Clair nowhere near at that point.
The length of time that the copied power lingers is a good question. The stick figure drawing implies that it lingers for several hours. Peter hovering when getting out of bed also implies this.
But stick figures and hovering are not even close to what Isaac and Nathan can do, respectively. My guess is that the power lingers, but fades over time. It's not an on/off switch.
Another question is how long it takes Peter to start copying. Is it instant? |
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Geo Discovering Powers...

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: The power of the symbol and Peter's mimicry |
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| Protagonist wrote: |
| as Peter's flying with Simone's dad in his dream and in a way that Simone's dad could go with him doesn't fit. |
No, but something ELSE fits, and it didn't occur to me until you mentioned the dream. Peter had that dream after he had been with Mohinder all day. I think Mohinder does have a power, and it has something to do with visiting people in their dreams. The boy said "People come to me," implying not that the boy has that power, but other folks with that power visit him, maybe for his interpreting abilities.
This would explain better why his Dad tried to protect him and keep him out of the project.... |
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: The power of the symbol and Peter's mimicry |
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| Geo wrote: |
| Protagonist wrote: |
| as Peter's flying with Simone's dad in his dream and in a way that Simone's dad could go with him doesn't fit. |
No, but something ELSE fits, and it didn't occur to me until you mentioned the dream. Peter had that dream after he had been with Mohinder all day. I think Mohinder does have a power, and it has something to do with visiting people in their dreams. The boy said "People come to me," implying not that the boy has that power, but other folks with that power visit him, maybe for his interpreting abilities.
This would explain better why his Dad tried to protect him and keep him out of the project.... |
WOW... Geo... INCREDIBLE THOUGHT!!!! I have been wondering about Mohinder's power for a while (if he even has one). More and more I am becoming convinced that he does, not only because of his dreams of visiting the boy, but more so because his sister was "very special." Mohinder having an ability would indeed explain how Peter had the dream with Simone's father.
One question I have is that, even though it was mentioned that the boy may have powers to enter a person's dreams, he DID say "People come to me." If his power is that of entering dreams, then how the heck could he show Mohinder a glimpse of the past, whether it be his father and mother speaking about his sister, or of his father's death in the taxi. These events seemed to truly have occurred, and being able to enter somebody's dreams does not mean that they can show them the past as well. Thus, I agree that Mohinder may have the power to see things or communicate messages in his sleep, but I do not think the boy has this same ability. Rather, let's ask ourselves this...
Why the boy for Mohinder, and why Simone's father for Peter? If the boy and Simone's father had any powers what so ever, I think that it would be the power to guide or to know each person's fate. If we remember, Mohinder says something along the lines of, "What is my destiny?" Thus, it may be that not only the boy has powers, but maybe even Simone's dad had the same power. It seemed as if Simone's father was also "guiding" Peter to an extent. If so, we can perhaps think of them to be sort of like the Oracle in The Matrix Triology. They help guide, but do not provide concrete answers as to what choices to make. What do you think? |
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure Mohinder will have power's. Especially that his power is what brought him to the soccer kid.
I think the Soccer Kid's power is simply to guide, like the idea posted above. More of an Oracle kind of thing. And just like the Oracle in the Matrix, they do not seek out people, they simply guide the ones who seek them out. |
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BOB Discovering Powers...
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: The power of the symbol and Peter's mimicry |
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I'm uncertain of the relevance, but it looks like the Symbol pops up on the HS Clock during one of the Homecoming scenes. It's just after HRG finds Jackie and just before Claire/Peter run out into the concrete Ampitheater. This scene with Claire AND Peter in the Ampitheater is a revision of Isaac's painting of what seemed to only be of Claire chased by Sylar.
Possible connection?? |
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure Mohinder will have power's. Especially that his power is what brought him to the soccer kid.
I think the Soccer Kid's power is simply to guide, like the idea posted above. More of an Oracle kind of thing. And just like the Oracle in the Matrix, they do not seek out people, they simply guide the ones who seek them out. |
If Mohinder does not have a power, then what would explain the boy visiting him in his dream? If the boy has the ability to visit people in their dreams, then that would NOT explain his knowledge of the past and how he could show it to Mohinder in his sleep. Thus, the only way the boy would be able to show Mohinder the past is if, again, he has the Oracle-like ability.
Also, Mohinder possessing this power of seeing messages/signs in his dreams via an Oracle-type person would 100% account for Peter's dream with Simone's father, although this would assume that Simone's father also possesses this all-knowing-Oracle ability. I know suggesting that Simone's father had a power may be a little far fetched, because "not everybody in the show can have a power" (or so I have been told), but then again, when I had first brought up that Charlie (Hiro's waitress) may have had a power before we even saw the episode, some people were skeptical about that, so from here on out, I think anything is a possibility in terms of many characters having abilities. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Protagonist wrote: |
The common thought is that Peter can mimic powers when he is close to someone else who has powers. This has been proven when he flies/hovers when near Nathan, paints the future when near Isaac, walks in stopped time when near Hiro, and heals himself when near Claire.
There is one time when he uses his power and his is not proximal to any Hero. When in the hospital bed, he draws himself hovering on the rooftop before it happens. The problem with this mimicry is that it happens the next day after he sees Isaac, his eyes are not glossed over as the other time when he paints next to Isaac, and he is of course not next to Isaac when he does it. He himself points to this as an example of a time when he drew the future.
But there is another key about this time. He drew the little RNA symbol on the top right of the picture before he drew the rest of the picture. This scene occurs just before Hiro walks in on a dead Isaac in a loft full of RNA symbols. Does that symbol have power in itself? Is that why it is on the sword? Is that why it is on the comic book?
When Isaac is drawing the comic book 9th Wonder, he is not seeing the future, but rather the past. When Peter is drawing in the hospital room, he is not painting but rather drawing rather crudely in stick figures. Can the symbol get you partway? |
I didn't notice the symbol on either Future Hiro's sword or Peter's stick figure prediction, nice catch! Also, great job on pointing out that Isaac paints the PAST in his 9th Wonders comics as opposed to the FUTURE like he usually does. Perhaps the symbol can amplify one's abilities? So, allowing Peter to retain a mimiced power just a little bit longer, Issac to be a retrocog in addition to being a precog, Hiro to time-travel much more precisely , and Nikki to have enhanced strength and speed as Jessica.
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| Also, Isaac had a painting of Peter flying with wings in his loft, but Peter did not fly, Nathan did. Peter fell and Nathan flew and caught him. |
But Peter DID fly. Nathan said that Peter was too heavy for him to carry, so they started to fall until Peter began flying on his own and rescued them both.
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Peter had that dream after he had been with Mohinder all day. I think Mohinder does have a power, and it has something to do with visiting people in their dreams. The boy said "People come to me," implying not that the boy has that power, but other folks with that power visit him, maybe for his interpreting abilities.
This would explain better why his Dad tried to protect him and keep him out of the project.... |
Very interesting point! I was the first person, as far as I know, to suggest that Mohinder had a power, but gave up after almost everyone else said that it was Sanjog and made valid arguments to that effect. But now I'm starting to think I was right all along!
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One question I have is that, even though it was mentioned that the boy may have powers to enter a person's dreams, he DID say "People come to me." If his power is that of entering dreams, then how the heck could he show Mohinder a glimpse of the past, whether it be his father and mother speaking about his sister, or of his father's death in the taxi. These events seemed to truly have occurred, and being able to enter somebody's dreams does not mean that they can show them the past as well. Thus, I agree that Mohinder may have the power to see things or communicate messages in his sleep, but I do not think the boy has this same ability. Rather, let's ask ourselves this...
Why the boy for Mohinder, and why Simone's father for Peter? If the boy and Simone's father had any powers what so ever, I think that it would be the power to guide or to know each person's fate. If we remember, Mohinder says something along the lines of, "What is my destiny?" Thus, it may be that not only the boy has powers, but maybe even Simone's dad had the same power. It seemed as if Simone's father was also "guiding" Peter to an extent. If so, we can perhaps think of them to be sort of like the Oracle in The Matrix Triology. They help guide, but do not provide concrete answers as to what choices to make. What do you think? |
Excellent thought, I think you're really onto something here!  |
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Some cultures refer to this ability as a "Dreamwalker" / Guide. For us Americans though let's refer to it as the power revelation. That is to reveal unknown answers and truths that any given individual may be seeking. I'm not sure about Simone's dad having power, but his daughter, hmmm....that leaves alot of room for much speculation. I
believe that Simone's father may have had a small amount of power, but suppose that Simone is one of those "Power Booster" typess that people were theorizing about Molly Walker. Suppose she is more of a common link between Isaac, Peter, and Mohinder. I'm not too sure, but I believe she knows all three of them. Also, has anyone picked up on the key limitation to Peter's power? It's okay, I'll wait...Time's up. He doesn't always know WHEN he has someone else's power. That is HUGE!!! Imagine having the power to TIME TRAVEL and not know it like when he met F_Hiro. Or not immediately knowing he had Claire's power.
Better yet!! Not Realizing he has / had Sylar's power too. He may potentially be the most powerful, but he's not the brightest at times. Nothing against Peter. I wouldn't mind having his power. I just would like to know I did.
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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I should point out that Isaac was drawing the future in the comic book. It current time, the comic would have to be at the publishers in order to be in print and on shelves by six weeks in the future. They have to set, print, etc. the comic.
Isaac probably drew the comic before the first episode "Genesis" began. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Another question is how long it takes Peter to start copying. Is it instant? |
Yeah, it interests me, too
About Peter flying in his dream with Simone's dad: i think those days Peter thought his power is flying, and not mimicry, so in his dream he flew.
Still, the dream itself is strange.
Wiki says Mojinder has no power, as i remember
But of course, if his sister had power, and it seems so go down in family... maybe...
I still prefer it was Sanjog
First it was a bit strange for me when Chandra's theory was presented: from where did he has the idea???? Now i know: from his daughter Shanti
i like the Oracle-idea - Popcorn again... grats  |
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: The power of the symbol and Peter's mimicry |
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| as Peter's flying with Simone's dad in his dream and in a way that Simone's dad could go with him doesn't fit. |
No, but something ELSE fits, and it didn't occur to me until you mentioned the dream. Peter had that dream after he had been with Mohinder all day. I think Mohinder does have a power, and it has something to do with visiting people in their dreams. The boy said "People come to me," implying not that the boy has that power, but other folks with that power visit him, maybe for his interpreting abilities.
This would explain better why his Dad tried to protect him and keep him out of the project.... |
I was starting to think the same thing on how long the mimicry would last..
Peter drawing long after leaving Isaac.
Peter replacing broken foot after claire leaving
Peter going into Simones fathers possible dream.. I was stuck thinking Mohindar also but wasn't sure if it could be concluded that way.
does anyone have a screen shot of the Kids folder to see what type of power he's got.?
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Another question is how long it takes Peter to start copying. Is it instant? |
I would say yes cosidering how fast Peter deflected Sylars attack of the flying lockers via Telekinesis. and also when Nathan caught Peter in mid Air.. afterwards Peter said Nathan you Flew! nathan responds with We both Flew. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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i just seen a screen shot of the boy.. in Homecoming and you can just barley see these words behind his picture
Sleep Rese
now i've gone back to 7 mintues to midnight and found another screen shot of the full word.. Research it also had a name of Dr. Richard Gaskin in that article.. so now we know he will be tied in with Mohindar and not with HRG. |
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