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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Of all of them, I never thought it could be you (because you weren't even the worst of them. Maury is a creep and we've all been killing people and doing underhanded things, at least you've been locked away)."
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I agree. Didn't Bob say that Monroe broke out ~2 weeks ago. That is right around the time that Kaito died. He wouldn't expect him because he would expect him to be locked away in prison.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Action Figure wrote:


"Of all of them, I never thought it could be you (because you weren't even the worst of them. Maury is a creep and we've all been killing people and doing underhanded things, at least you've been locked away)."
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I like it, Action. To that you could add, "Of all of them, I never thought it would be you (becuase you were the 'ugly duckling' of the group - the *13th* member - who we 'got rid of')."

hatcher wrote:

I agree. Didn't Bob say that Monroe broke out ~2 weeks ago. That is right around the time that Kaito died. He wouldn't expect him because he would expect him to be locked away in prison.


Hmm... I didn't catch that from Bob, but if so, then it looks like Arthur didn't die at the hands of Adam, like Kaito did. Maybe Linderman was carrying out Adam's wishes while Adam was in jail. Perhaps Arthur got 'sloppy,' and Linderman found out that Nathan and Peter were going to do them both in, so Linderman consulted Adam (in prison), and Adam told Linderman that the only way to 'clean' the sloppy situation was to kill Arthur.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The killer is more than likely "Peter Petrelli's" father. We "know" of him, but do not know him directly. He is working with Adam Monroe and/or being manipulated by him.


I disagree - there's hardly any evidence that points to Arthur Petrelli being the killer. And spoilers have recently confirmed that it was David Anders who was in the hoodie when Kaito was pushed off of the roof.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think Angela was in on Arthur Petrelli's death. She was good buddies with Linderman, it seemed, so I'm guessing she was good buddies with Monroe, too. Remember, she was in on the blow up New York scheme with them. When she told Peter "you are the only one who can save us", I think she was trying to lead Peter towards his alliance with Monroe. I think Monroe will use that same angle on Peter.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still think Angela was in on Arthur Petrelli's death. She was good buddies with Linderman, it seemed, so I'm guessing she was good buddies with Monroe, too. Remember, she was in on the blow up New York scheme with them. When she told Peter "you are the only one who can save us", I think she was trying to lead Peter towards his alliance with Monroe. I think Monroe will use that same angle on Peter.


I don't agree with ya on this one. She was saying that because she knew it wasn't the present Peter of her future timeline, it was a past Peter who jumped here. She's obviously seen the way the world has turned into a completely devasted earth with almost everyone dead and she truly knows that Peter himself is the only one who can save them. I take her as completely sincere in this request.

Adam will somehow get Peter to team up with him, or help him out in a way that Peter could possibly see advantageous to him trying to stop the future he saw from happening. It'll be by chance that what he convinces him of and what Peter does to start his quest to change the future will follow each others paths closely.

The only thing that tickles my mind is the commentary video of when Matt finds a way to kill Peter. Somebody said something somewhere about drowning him .
Either way I can't put it together of why they would need to know this unless Adam finds out from Peter that he wants to try and stop that future he saw and is then going to manipulate him to do things his way and they'll need to stop the mislead Peter.

I think Peter is a good soul regardless of his lost memories and you can't change that about a person. In the end he will be the ultimate hero and by far the coolest character EVER!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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popkorn615 wrote:
Anybody see the spoiler pic posted recently showing Milo, Hayden, and David sitting together? I think both Milo and David were wearing outfits matching what they were wearing in the final scene of "Out of Time." Can anybody confirm? I've lost the link to the pic.


It sure looks like it. Here's the picture you were referring to. Smile


Does anyone have a screen shot of the rooftop before Kaito got killed? B/c the picture here has PETER in a hoodie..... Hmmm..... Could this be the same hooded man who killed Kaito? Please let me know cuz I'm hungry and waffles sound good right now....
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i posted the pic w/ Pete a while ago inquiring about the hoodie, and no, he wasn't the killer.

Beeman said so in his blog. (it was Adam, which makes sense considering the manner Kaito was killed)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was also a question raised about how Adam could have gotten up and fled so quickly as one would think that, like Claire, he would take a few moments to heal. Hiro is going to attempt to save his father, so he could end up teleporting somewhere with Adam during that scene.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or Peter could have been involved as an accomplice, possibly flying Adam away as they fell or something like that. That could also account for the noise Popcorn was talking about, a sonic boom or something.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THAT would make perfect sense in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or Peter could have been involved as an accomplice, possibly flying Adam away as they fell or something like that. That could also account for the noise Popcorn was talking about, a sonic boom or something.


That's a darn good thought, Led.

Only problem is, Pete is already locked up in the shipping container, so it looks like it was just Adam who was involved with running Kaito off of the roof.

However, I really like the thought that Hiro had something to do with Adam not being there when Ando looked over the edge. Perhaps Hiro miscalculated when he teleported to save his dad and teleported Adam from the air instead of Kaito. Kudos, JJ!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ledlevee wrote:
Or Peter could have been involved as an accomplice, possibly flying Adam away as they fell or something like that. That could also account for the noise Popcorn was talking about, a sonic boom or something.


That's a darn good thought, Led.

Only problem is, Pete is already locked up in the shipping container, so it looks like it was just Adam who was involved with running Kaito off of the roof.

However, I really like the thought that Hiro had something to do with Adam not being there when Ando looked over the edge. Perhaps Hiro miscalculated when he teleported to save his dad and teleported Adam from the air instead of Kaito. Kudos, JJ!


Thanks PK. Not to hedge my bets too much but Led's thinking is actually quite valid too. Peter, at that point in time, is locked in a container but Peter from a few weeks in the future could take Adam back to that day to do the job. The only reason I shied away from Peter assisting Adam in killing Kaito is that I don't see Adam convincing Peter to be part of a murder. I tend to think he convinced Peter to take him back in time under false pretenses. But then, how about this...

Adam kills Kaito. After they hit the ground Peter, in disbelief of what he has seen, grabs Adam and teleports them away. As this is all happening, Hiro arrives to try and save Kaito only to be a moment too late. Now, we see Hiro become more adept with his ability and find he is able to track/follow Peter through time/space which leads us to Peter and Hiro facing off and debating Adam's intentions.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jj0802 wrote:
I don't see Adam convincing Peter to be part of a murder. I tend to think he convinced Peter to take him back in time under false pretenses. But then, how about this...

Adam kills Kaito. After they hit the ground Peter, in disbelief of what he has seen, grabs Adam and teleports them away. As this is all happening, Hiro arrives to try and save Kaito only to be a moment too late. Now, we see Hiro become more adept with his ability and find he is able to track/follow Peter through time/space which leads us to Peter and Hiro facing off and debating Adam's intentions.


I agree that Peter might not be convinced to murder someone.

But how about this... Hiro SEES Peter teleport Adam away, which is when he realizes that Peter is working with Adam.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It makes it harder to believe that Peter would be involved in murders especially now that he has his memory back. Ultra Dark Peter would have been possible if he still had lost his memories but now that he remembers everything, it makes it less likely that he would actually murder. He may be involved in sinister plots through manipulation by Adam but I dont think peter would ok with killing a lot of people. Adam will take advantage of Peter's distaste for the company and go on sabotage missions but not to actually start killing people and even be involved in attacking his own mother.

Adam probably fled to the warehouse and when Peter did not show up he probably started the killings with Kaito himself. Initially his plan probably involved Peter in doing the dirty work but when he realized he probably could not attack all of the original 12 on his own, he went and recruited Maury who I believe had beef with the company long before he was used by Adam. The company had been looking for him through Molly even before Adam escaped.

Also I want to know more about the terrible things the originals had done. It had to be something more than just locking Adam Monroe up. Yea, that is bad but not horrifying as to the tone Angela and Kaito had used to describe it. And they probably had done a lot of bad things to a lot of people if they couldnt exactly narrow down who the suspects were. I also want to know of Angela's involvement in the current company management. She was probably of Linderman's faction but do they completely keep her out of the dark with everything. She has to know Peter is alive. And how did Nathan never question how he got to the hospital in the first place? Did none of the doctors ever mention that some guy with emo hair and burned clothes brought you in?
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