hey im new here but I was thinking the same along those lines acidtwister. it really hasnt been mentioned here i dont think but i found the way kaito was acting very strange the entire time. what if it was all a big set up? kaito seemed sure and kept on saying he was in danger but didnt know by who. even when he was talking to angela she suggested some1 was playing a trick but he went on to try to convince her it was real. that scene he seemed strange. and then why was he chillin on the roof the entire day and sent ando off to get a sword. and then his killer just happened to arrive when ando came. i know people mite say it was for dramatic effect and im looking too into it but i got the feeling that kaito was involved more with what was going on and was kind of acting maybe. and again to acids point at how lame the kill was. if this killer is supposed to be some powerful person then you would think they would come up with a better way for his kills. also usually in this show when we see people die (simone, isaac, linderman) we actually see them die right then. this was another mystery type death.
im not sure even what my point is but that this could all be staged for some reason. i think his apparent death is going to be used later as a twist for something more complex. although this new killer has a cool mo, right now its kind of weak that he would just be killing all the older ppl for revenge or something. bare with me for a sec, wether it be nathan or kensei/kane what if they were working with kaito to stage his death. that would explain why nathan bumped into ando because he was meetin with kaito beforehand. and i think someone had mentioned that angela would be put into a hospital or somehting. what if they attacked her and tried to bring some other members of the organization out of hiding for some reason. i dont have a theory on whatever endgame is planned but i definately have a feeling something more complex is brewing than we are seeing.
The thing that I found most interesting about it is the way Kaito was killed.
You'd think that, if this person was as powerful as Kaito SAID they were... they'd have used it, rather than just shoving him off of a building. Ando could've done that. I could've done that. Anybody could have. Even people that DON'T have powers.
We can assume from the scene that Kaito's killer survived, since his body was nowhere to be found, so no, I don't think Ando or anybody without a power could have done that. Kaito's killer was literally sprinting towards him - he wanted to make sure to hit Kaito hard enough to go over the edge and hit the ground. If he had the power of flight, teleportation, or regeneration, then shoving Kaito off of the building was the only thing he could have done to kill Kaito at that moment.
I guess it could just be this person's kill style, though.
Petrelli looked like a suicide.
Deveaux died suddenly while on his death bed, out of nowhere.
Linderman was killed by DL before this person had the chance.
Kaito was pushed off a roof.
It seems that, whoever it is that's doing this intends to make these deaths look natural, rather than Sylar's method of killing them by slicing their heads open.
We can assume from the scene that Kaito's killer survived, since his body was nowhere to be found, so no, I don't think Ando or anybody without a power could have done that. Kaito's killer was literally sprinting towards him - he wanted to make sure to hit Kaito hard enough to go over the edge and hit the ground. If he had the power of flight, teleportation, or regeneration, then shoving Kaito off of the building was the only thing he could have done to kill Kaito at that moment.
Let's assume, for a moment, that the National Enquirer assumes correctly, and that this Bob character is the WTTB. The guy that killed Kaito. How he got from Cairo to New York so quickly, I don't know, but there are pictures out there that suggests he can move as quickly as HRG did last season. He's seen in a suit, standing next to Claire in her Cheerleading outfit.
So, back to my point. Kaito hit the ground rather quickly. Watch again, and you can hear his splat almost immediately after he falls. Something would have to be pretty heavy... like a human size block of gold. I'm not suggesting he turned Kaito into gold, because he couldn't bleed then. But he definitely weighed him down with something.
With Deveaux he could poison his blood with gold, allowing him to die slowly.
And we know the killer's white or pale skinned. You could see his hand as he grabbed the wall.
hey im new here but I was thinking the same along those lines acidtwister. it really hasnt been mentioned here i dont think but i found the way kaito was acting very strange the entire time. what if it was all a big set up? kaito seemed sure and kept on saying he was in danger but didnt know by who. even when he was talking to angela she suggested some1 was playing a trick but he went on to try to convince her it was real. that scene he seemed strange. and then why was he chillin on the roof the entire day and sent ando off to get a sword. and then his killer just happened to arrive when ando came. i know people mite say it was for dramatic effect and im looking too into it but i got the feeling that kaito was involved more with what was going on and was kind of acting maybe. and again to acids point at how lame the kill was. if this killer is supposed to be some powerful person then you would think they would come up with a better way for his kills. also usually in this show when we see people die (simone, isaac, linderman) we actually see them die right then. this was another mystery type death.
im not sure even what my point is but that this could all be staged for some reason. i think his apparent death is going to be used later as a twist for something more complex. although this new killer has a cool mo, right now its kind of weak that he would just be killing all the older ppl for revenge or something. bare with me for a sec, wether it be nathan or kensei/kane what if they were working with kaito to stage his death. that would explain why nathan bumped into ando because he was meetin with kaito beforehand. and i think someone had mentioned that angela would be put into a hospital or somehting. what if they attacked her and tried to bring some other members of the organization out of hiding for some reason. i dont have a theory on whatever endgame is planned but i definately have a feeling something more complex is brewing than we are seeing.
Welcome to the forum, CuzImBrown!
Im my opinion, I don't think this was a mystery death at all. We saw Kaito fly off the edge with the killer, we saw Kaito's body on the ground, Ando yells Kaito, and then looks around as if to see where the killer went since his body isn't there with Kaito's on the ground. The only mystery deaths that we know of thus far, in my opinion, Papa Petrelli and Charles Deveaux for the sole reason that we did not witness them die ourselves.
I, too, get the feeling that Kaito's killer/death scene will turn out to be some kind of twist. My guess is still that it will either be someone we already know, or someone we have heard about, rather than somebody completely new to the season.
We didnt see Sylar's face for, like, 8 episodes.. and he still turned out to be someone we didnt already know.
True, but (1) we know a lot more characters now, and (2) we know that all of them are connected in some way, so I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere along the line, the killer was related to someone we already know, that is if the killer himself isn't someone we already know.
So, back to my point. Kaito hit the ground rather quickly. Watch again, and you can hear his splat almost immediately after he falls. Something would have to be pretty heavy... like a human size block of gold. I'm not suggesting he turned Kaito into gold, because he couldn't bleed then. But he definitely weighed him down with something.
but, heavy things don't fall faster than things that are lighter. a body or a safe would both hit the ground at the same time.
as for kaito's killer: It could be someone that is a part of whatever group Linderman, Kaito, evil Nathan/Peter mom belong to and that Mr. Bennet worked for. But, it could be someone that has knowledge of the group and wants to destroy them. Heck, given that the symbol is the same symbol that Kensei used on his flags, it could even be future Hiro...but he would have to have changed A LOT to kill his dad. Clearly, he does change a lot since the Hiro on the subway with Peter is completely different from the Hiro we know now.
Basically, I don't know! And it drives me nuts that we have to wait another week to see a new episode. I'm going to have to start watching Season 1 again to get my fix and see if I can figure more out.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Theory that popped in my head about kaito's killer
longhairdfreak wrote:
So I'll try again....
Out there theory for all you...or is it
The person who attacked, and possibly killed kaito is...
Someone he obviously did not expect,
Has the ability to disappear.
and is no doubt supposed to make us go NO WAY
So I theorize it is
Hiro. Keep in mind, this could be a future hiro/ alternate Hiro.The size is right. He is wearing a hoodie, ya, but his style of dress is young, I doubt it is someone Angela and Kaito's age. Future hiro, according to the graphic novels and episode from the future, states that he has officiated terrorist acts, so wetwork doesnt seem to be a problem. Hiro is obviously going to become takezo Kenzei, so using the half-helix that takezo uses would be an obvious calling card for him. Maybe he found out that his father was part of the group that destroyed New York in his timeline. Also, hiro could teleport away after giving daddy the shove. Also, it would explain kaito saying "you are the last person I would have expected"
i have a theory similar note spoilers!!
sorry guys but to read the theory you need to read a bit of a spoiler...
ok so here's my theory -
the hooded man is Kensei.
why?
well on a post i see by popkorn, he mentioned a conversation he had with someone who had seen the the first 2 episodes mentioning that in the second episode we see Kensei power to
heal himself (regeneration).
now if this is true then Kensei cannot die. we know hiro may have messed up the future with his actions in the past (1671) and this could have made Kensei a bad guy. why else would hiros father say what he said (something like "i didnt expect you...") about build of person (SPOILER!!!)
i understand that he wasnt the right build but just because he cant die doesnt mean he doesnt age he could be healthy on the inside and be old and crawled over like an old man
also correct me if im wrong but can't we pretty much confirm by inferring that kensei will make it to present time? we know hiro won't be in feudal japan for all of volume 2 and we know that david anders was made guest star to a regular. and also i had just read an interview with him recently talkin bout how he only had acted with masi oka but was now starting to act with others but couldnt talk bout it cuz of secrecy n all. n i think there was some spoiler i heard somwhere saying that hiro wasnt the only one travelling through time. so to me all those point to him being involved with sumtin big towards the end of the 2nd volume. wat other purpose could he have in the present if he wasnt the big baddy. we already have a lot of "good guys" n it makes sense with all the symbols and the build of the guy that ran kaito off the roof.
Let's assume, for a moment, that the National Enquirer assumes correctly, and that this Bob character is the WTTB. The guy that killed Kaito. How he got from Cairo to New York so quickly, I don't know, but there are pictures out there that suggests he can move as quickly as HRG did last season. He's seen in a suit, standing next to Claire in her Cheerleading outfit.
So, back to my point. Kaito hit the ground rather quickly. Watch again, and you can hear his splat almost immediately after he falls. Something would have to be pretty heavy... like a human size block of gold. I'm not suggesting he turned Kaito into gold, because he couldn't bleed then. But he definitely weighed him down with something.
With Deveaux he could poison his blood with gold, allowing him to die slowly.
And we know the killer's white or pale skinned. You could see his hand as he grabbed the wall.
Personally, I doubt that the killer is the guy that Mohinder met with... the body build is completely off.
Personally, I doubt that the killer is the guy that Mohinder met with... the body build is completely off.
And Sylar was originally an older guy with a beard, if you go by who they had playing him originally.
But as we can see in the interview with Chrstine Rose, and as other cast members have stated in the past, if the writers have a secret they don't want to disclose... they will NOT tell anyone. Not even the cast members. The cast didn't even know Nathan was Claire's father until they shot the episode, remember?
Kring/Beeman could have easily used someone else as the hooded figure to keep the identity of WTTB secret from everyone, including the cast.
Personally, I doubt that the killer is the guy that Mohinder met with... the body build is completely off.
And Sylar was originally an older guy with a beard, if you go by who the had playing him originally.
Yeah, but if you watch episode 3 and pause it before Matt shoots him in the police station, it at least somewhat looks like Zach Quinto, specifically the body.
The guy that killed Kaito is thin and not incredibly tall.
This new guy that Mohinder met with is a little overweight and pretty tall.
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