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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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I don't buy it.
It's just a bit too trite for my taste. I think there's got to be something more than just a simple fix like that.
After all, according to Bob, Linderman was one of Adam's "disciples" in this area. So my guess is that if Linderman failed, then Adam is forced to follow through himself. Maybe by using Peter as his surrogate, since it's been hinted at by Bob that Adam doesn't do the actions himself, but with other people.
So my guess is that Adam's got others working on this, and wasn't really counting on it to work, but if he's got multiple irons in the fire, something's going to have to give at some point. After all, if you hit an area enough times, something's going to get through by reason of attrition, if nothing else.
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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I love the theory PK and I'd only change one detail. I would replace Angela with Charles. It would still explain Peter seeing Claude in his dream (because it was a dream which seemed to be Charles' domain).
Regarding Angela not telling Nathan about the virus, the best i can come up with is that she and/or Linderman believed it had to be kept a secret to prevent knowledge of it's existence from spreading, thus creating the potential for their precognitive foresight to become less reliable. Linderman was all about limiting risk and not taking chances so I can see him mandating that it be kept secret. I can see Angela abiding because she seemed to have more respect for Linderman than anyone else. She even referred to him as "a great man" after he died and it seemed to me she would somewhat blindly follow his lead.
It would also allow for Angela's ability to be a more developed version of the Haitian's, which just so happens to be where my belief currently lies  |
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Jormengrund wrote: |
After all, according to Bob, Linderman was one of Adam's "disciples" in this area. |
I had forgotten that.
But if one of Adam's goals really is to save the world, the bomb being his idea is reinforced by this. Especially, if a precog happened to be in a cell next to him at some point and told Adam about his vision of the virus.
Adam could have convinced Linderman to side with him and they conceived the "bomb" solution. They kept open communication and Adam stayed locked up for the sake of keeping everything quiet and let Linderman do all the legwork. Maybe Adam really is trying to save the world, and has been since long before he escaped. And in that case, maybe Hiro will blindly assume Adam is still evil when he's not, and inadvertently become a character who impedes Adam's good cause. I can see this happening because after 400 years, Adam would have learned to deal with having a girl stolen from him. But, even though he should know this is the case for Adam, Hiro doesn't have 400 years of perspective and could remain adamant of Adam's nefarious ways, whether he's changed or not. It would make for an interesting role reversal and still make Peter the deciding factor at some point. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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One quick addition to the above post (I don't have an edit button...).
Adam killing Kaito would be because he's one of those who stood in Linderman's way and have nothing to do with being Hiro's father. If he's been imprisoned for 30 years, he might not even know Kaito is related to Hiro. But Hiro wouldn't necessarily see it that way, which would fit the above scenario. |
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mattk25 Mimics Powers... "Are you gonna eat that?"

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| You just brought up something I haven't thought about until now. Kaito was trying to help Hiro stop the bomb, Angela was trying to help it. Kaito and Angela were both in the original 12. Kaito and Angela also appeared to be friends, however Kaito seemed perturbed at her before he died. Could this be why? Anyway, I guess this just adds to the complexity of Angela's character. We have no idea where her allegiances are! |
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| jormengrund wrote: |
I don't buy it...
After all, according to Bob, Linderman was one of Adam's "disciples" in this area. So my guess is that if Linderman failed, then Adam is forced to follow through himself. |
However, Jorm, it would go along with JJ's plausible theory that Adam wants to destroy the virus, so he could have instructed Linderman to do whatever he could to stop the spread, even if it meant killing a little girl and .07% of the world's population, some of whom may have been infected.
| jj0802 wrote: |
I love the theory PK and I'd only change one detail. I would replace Angela with Charles. It would still explain Peter seeing Claude in his dream (because it was a dream which seemed to be Charles' domain). |
I assume you mean just in regards to the precognitive dreaming, yes? If so, then I could definitely go with you on that one. It seems fairly certain that Charles wasn't wholly keen on going through with Linderman's plan, as per his conversation with Angela, but the dreaming and the "guidelike" quality of it could have definitely come from Charles. I don't know if we'll ever see his ability... perhaps we'll just have to assume forever that he's got the same power as Sanjog Iyer.
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| Kaito and Angela also appeared to be friends |
I didn't sense that at all, IMO. I got the sense that they were 'old' friends that had a falling out, judging by the way they spoke to each other, and by the way Angela slapped Kaito in the face. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah I forgot she slapped him. What was that for? Do we know? I guess I was going on the fact that they had met a few times and she made the comment to Parkman about them sleeping together but it hadn't been in a while. Plus they were in the 12 together and standing side by side. I think you're right though, it appears there was a falling out. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| popkorn615 wrote: |
| jj0802 wrote: |
I love the theory PK and I'd only change one detail. I would replace Angela with Charles. It would still explain Peter seeing Claude in his dream (because it was a dream which seemed to be Charles' domain). |
I assume you mean just in regards to the precognitive dreaming, yes? If so, then I could definitely go with you on that one. It seems fairly certain that Charles wasn't wholly keen on going through with Linderman's plan, as per his conversation with Angela, but the dreaming and the "guidelike" quality of it could have definitely come from Charles. I don't know if we'll ever see his ability... perhaps we'll just have to assume forever that he's got the same power as Sanjog Iyer. |
Yes, that is what I meant
Here's another twist on how it could have played out. What if Charles' (and seemingly Sanjog's) ability is the developed precog ability in that they are not bound to only looking forward and they can interact with the vision to some extent? In that case it could have been Charles who foresaw the virus outbreak originally and talked with the other 11 members. Linderman comes up with the bomb plan. Charles disagrees, as does Arthur Patrelli I'm thinking. Charles leaves passively and is allowed to live because he isn't interfering, but Arthur is eliminated because he tried to take a more aggressive form of opposition.
As far as Adam, either Linderman involved him somehow from the start OR his involvement was only in overhearing enough to know what's going on and deciding on his own that he needs to do something when/if he can. To that end it could be that Bob only said he was a disciple of Linderman because he knows that most everyone will assume Adam to be evil based on that presumed association.
How's that sound? |
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| mattk25 wrote: |
| Yeah I forgot she slapped him. What was that for? Do we know? I guess I was going on the fact that they had met a few times and she made the comment to Parkman about them sleeping together but it hadn't been in a while. Plus they were in the 12 together and standing side by side. I think you're right though, it appears there was a falling out. |
I think she slapped him because Kaito had the audacity to make it seem like what he was doing for his son was much better than what Angela was doing for her sons, which could be further interpreted as Kaito saying that Hiro was much better than Peter or Nathan as a person.
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Yes, that is what I meant
Here's another twist on how it could have played out. What if Charles' (and seemingly Sanjog's) ability is the developed precog ability in that they are not bound to only looking forward and they can interact with the vision to some extent? In that case it could have been Charles who foresaw the virus outbreak originally and talked with the other 11 members. |
You know, after reading your post last night, that's EXACTLY what I was thinking too!!! But the fact that it was 5am took its toll on me lol. I'm definitely going to support you on that theory, JJ! Nice thought! The developed version of Charles/Sanjog's ability is to, at first, see the future, but then also look into the past (which is how Peter did so in the Season 1 Finale), and thus they are able to "guide."
I guess the only thing I'd have against that is the fact that Sanjog is not more than 15 years old, which means he would have had to use his ability a lot in order to develop it to that extent. Overall though, I'm with ya  |
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| Sanjog also took Mohinder back to the past when he was looking into his mom and dad's lives and when he found out about Shanti. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I've said that Sanjog and Charles have the same power all along, but noooo. |
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