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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: The empty apartment - New thought Reply with quote

These are just random thoughts I've had.

Mohinder and Eden visited Sylar's apartment and found the hidden room with Forgive Me scrawled all over the place.

When Mohinder came back with the police, the apartment was completely cleaned out. At first I thought it was Sylar, but now that we know that Eden works for HRG and the OWI I began to think that they emptied the apartment.

Then I had to ask myself why, we know HRG wants Sylar stopped, why would they remove all evidence of his existence?

Then I remembered Matt's conversation with Ted Sprague (Radioactive Man). Ted didn't begin to display his abilities until after he was taken by the OWI. Matt's abilities also went into overdrive after he was taken by the OWI.

Which led me to what I believe is the answer I was looking for.

Sylar was taken in just like the others. But like Ted, he hadn't displayed his abilities yet. When they tampered with his mind like they do all the others his abilities were activated as well.

I still believe Sylar is a religous nut which would explain his reaction to suddenly finding out that he had special abilities. Filled with self loathing and trying to redeem himself by destroying those he sees as spawns of the devil he goes on a killing spree.

HRG and the OWI are responsible for setting that monster lose on the world. They are trying to stop him and at the same time destroy any evidence of their involvement.

I'm sorry this isn't another Peter=Sylar post. I truly believe that since this show is based on evolution that for the writers Sylar would represent the religous right and their crusade to kill the theory.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, interesting. Religion hasn't been brought up at all as a motive yet. I sorta like this idea. I'll file it away in my head for further thinking.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well we do know that HRG admitted to helping other hero's evolve their powers. That would be the reason why matt and radio active man now has hightened their abilities. The question is, why was it done without their consent when he mentioned that he helped others like Eden. Sylar is patient zero which means if HRG did tamper with his powers then he must of been the first. So OWI wouldnt be around. Also..its starting to sound like sylar and the man in the black hat might not be the same person. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another thing to look at is if indeed the man in black is sylar why would he have that good of control over his abilities if taken in by HRG. The others show signs of headaches and knocking out. He seems very relaxed and sure of what he is doing. I think he is just over taught by Mohinders dad making him too dangerous and maybe all the missing stuff in the apartment was a illusion on the officers, eden, and mohinders mind caused by sylar to cover it all up to make the place look empty when it actually is all still there since he has mind power anyways. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was stated Chandra Suresh found Sylar first aka patient zero and helped him with his powers. I doubt HRG was doing anything at the time about this since Chandra was the first to figure it out.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you forgot to say. just a thought.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

robot cp wrote:
you forgot to say. just a thought.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was stated Chandra Suresh found Sylar first aka patient zero and helped him with his powers. I doubt HRG was doing anything at the time about this since Chandra was the first to figure it out.


Can you link the show, comic, or interview where it was stated that Chandra was the absolute first person ever to find Sylar. Chandra didn't go to New York until 6 months before the show started. He could have went before then but we don't know that for sure. We know 6 months for sure. HRG has been at his job for at least 14 years, as he said in the last episode when we find out how he adopted Claire.

Chandra may have helped Sylar to understand that there were others out there like him. But I'm having a hard time believing that he helped him to control his powers. I mean, I may know a lot about football. But that doesn't mean I could teach you how to be an elite running back.

I've seen the reference to patient zero, and Sylars seems to be older then all the others I'm not doubting its him. I've got a feeling that Chandra went to New York because this Sanjog kid led him there. But that is a guess based on the hidden file Mohinder found in Chandra's office in India.

On to Matt and Tedd Sprague. Both where recently abducted. Their is nothing that says they won't eventually gain control of their abilities. But of course that to is just a guess. We haven't seen anything conclusive that shows us that once a super has a run in with OWI they never regain control of their abilities.

Until they do, I can't discount that Sylar was one of the first tagged by the OWI, activated and then released back into the wild.

Of course this is all just a thought, based solely on information the show and comic has given us so far. Not perfect though, there's every chance I missed some vital eye flutter somewhere.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

driver1 wrote:
murphster06 wrote:
It was stated Chandra Suresh found Sylar first aka patient zero and helped him with his powers. I doubt HRG was doing anything at the time about this since Chandra was the first to figure it out.


Can you link the show, comic, or interview where it was stated that Chandra was the absolute first person ever to find Sylar. Chandra didn't go to New York until 6 months before the show started. He could have went before then but we don't know that for sure. We know 6 months for sure. HRG has been at his job for at least 14 years, as he said in the last episode when we find out how he adopted Claire.

Chandra may have helped Sylar to understand that there were others out there like him. But I'm having a hard time believing that he helped him to control his powers. I mean, I may know a lot about football. But that doesn't mean I could teach you how to be an elite running back.

I've seen the reference to patient zero, and Sylars seems to be older then all the others I'm not doubting its him. I've got a feeling that Chandra went to New York because this Sanjog kid led him there. But that is a guess based on the hidden file Mohinder found in Chandra's office in India.

On to Matt and Tedd Sprague. Both where recently abducted. Their is nothing that says they won't eventually gain control of their abilities. But of course that to is just a guess. We haven't seen anything conclusive that shows us that once a super has a run in with OWI they never regain control of their abilities.

Until they do, I can't discount that Sylar was one of the first tagged by the OWI, activated and then released back into the wild.

Of course this is all just a thought, based solely on information the show and comic has given us so far. Not perfect though, there's every chance I missed some vital eye flutter somewhere.
Ok, can't find an edit button. Just wanted to add Razz to the "I missed some vital eye flutter somewhere." comment.

I did want to add though, Sylar may be patient zero but that doesn't mean he was the first to display his power. Matt's at least in his 30's. He didn't start showing his abilities until the Molly Walker case. It didn't mean he wasn't a carrier of what ever gene these people have until that moment. Ted Sprague was himself brought in before he began showing any abilities.

Of course Sylar may have shown his abilities before OWI found him (in an interview Kring said there was a connection between HRG and Sylar, this seems the most likely). He may not have realized it was him doing it at the time though. Once they jacked with his mind the same thing that happened to Matt and Ted could have happened to him, powers went into overdrive.

I can't remember how long Audry said the murders had been happening. Be curious to see if it was 6 months, around the time Chandra went to America, or longer.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can easily follow the theory that Sylar is a religious nut, especially considering what was written on the walls in the back room of that apartment.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the OWI?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there are multiple things that are awkward with the situation. First of all, we do not know the full extent of Sylar's powers, so he could have eternal youth and have been around since whenever. (Could explain his religious angle since medieval age had much reliance of explaination on religion but problemous with the idea that Mohinder's dad helped with his powers, because his father has not been gone for a while, maybe a few years at most.)

In HRG case, he states that they have been tracking ones like Isaac for quite some time now, meaning if they only been doing it since Mohinder's father (who has not investigated for more than a couple years) mean it isnt quite some time to collect that much data. Thus meaning, Mohinder's father and HRG are somewhat unrelated, perhaps know of each other through run-in's with research.

Thus, with them being not being close, the chances of Patient Zero being HRG's first is slim to none.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HornRimmedGlasses wrote:
Well, there are multiple things that are awkward with the situation. First of all, we do not know the full extent of Sylar's powers, so he could have eternal youth and have been around since whenever. (Could explain his religious angle since medieval age had much reliance of explaination on religion but problemous with the idea that Mohinder's dad helped with his powers, because his father has not been gone for a while, maybe a few years at most.)

In HRG case, he states that they have been tracking ones like Isaac for quite some time now, meaning if they only been doing it since Mohinder's father (who has not investigated for more than a couple years) mean it isnt quite some time to collect that much data. Thus meaning, Mohinder's father and HRG are somewhat unrelated, perhaps know of each other through run-in's with research.

Thus, with them being not being close, the chances of Patient Zero being HRG's first is slim to none.


Chandra has been missing for only a month or two (counting from the beginning of the pilot) at MOST,, not years. I too got the religious vibe. Also, as DRIVER1 stated, Mr. Bennett has been at it for at least 14 years, whereas Chandra began probably only a few months before leaving for New York. So no, the're research isn't really connected at all. However, as Sanjog was Chandra's first discovered super, the "Patient Zero" title that he gave to Sylar wasn't intended to mean he was the first he discovered. I think it means that he somehow traced the anomaly, genetic or otherwise, all the way back to Sylar, with him being the origin.

In pathology, a Patient Zero is the very first person to be infected with a disease, the initial carrier. As that person moves from place to place, the disease spreads based on hundreds of variables. The pattern of dispersion can be derived either forward or backward, given that there is enough data to work with, using upper-level mathematical analysis. That is what I believe Chandra accomplished with his research, and how he made his map (the strings on it may in fact be the flow of the "contagion"). As soon as Mohinder cracks his father's work, we will certainly know much more about Sylar and the reason for everyone else's "mutations" as well.

So, Sylar could actually be the first super to be experimented on by OWI, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Chandra's own involvement with him much more recently. However, I do not think this is the case, as Sylar specifically said in the voicemail that Chandra was the reason he become who he is.

Also, in response to the original intent of this thread, the apartment is empty the second time around because Eden called HRG up, and he cleaned it out before Mohinder came back with cops, just like he did with Chandra's apartment. Those maps of their's can be pretty useful when it comes to traveling around the country, cataloguing and refining the abilities of supers!

[information on the meaning and use of the term "Patient Zero" is courtesy of an episode of Numb3rs, the very first one if I'm not mistaken.]
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The term "Patient Zero" could have a number of meanings, such as the first patient to recieve an experimental medical procedure or drug. They are the guinea pig. I think this definition fits better since I don't think genetic mutations are contagious. I think Chandra did something to try and change Sylar (for better or worse) and that is why Sylar says Chandra created him. It isn't certain that Chandra helped him discover his powers at all or that he had good intentions at all. His procedure might have even backfired. Whatever it was that he did, it was recent and it seems to have had bad results. I like the idea of Sylar being a religious zealot, and I've actually thought that from the beginning. How that has effected him, I have yet to see perfectly (it probably is his motive). Anyways. "Just a thought"
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The term "