We would presume it is Ted that will explode now, but anything could happen.
In fact, to go off on another theory I posted somewhere around here, the exploding "man" could even be:
Meredith...
The painting of the exploding man shows no sign of gender, and in fact it looks like he/she is lunging forward, as if attacking someone, whereas in the dream, Peter is standing straight up with his head to the sky. Could this positioning on the firey person be a hint that it is a "bad" guy (such as Sylar, maybe even Ted) rather than a wholesome "good" guy (like Peter).
Anyway, going back to Meredith...
...it is, of course, unlikely because if anybody found out Nathan had a connection with her in the past, his election and rise to presidency would probably ruined, but it's always fun to imagine
So then, was it just by coincidence that Charlie also had a fatal illness, or was she destined to die period? Because if the way Charlie couldn't be changed, then this just brings up the question of whether or not Hiro can really change the past...
I think its safe to say Charlie was destined to die, but that could be said for all of us.
Yes it was coincidence that she had a fatal illness. No matter how many times Hiro goes back, the fact that Charlie dies at Sylar's hands cannot change. it has been confirmed that Sylar has Charlie's ability.
The reason Hiro goes back in time cannot change, or a paradox would occur. Charlie will always die by Sylar even if every other detail changes leading up to that.
I hadn't seen your theory on meredith before but I'm right there with you popkorn. I posted a fairly long,thought out theory on it in this forum under the the thread about who claude was hiding from the company. I can't remember the name but you should go check it out!
I hadn't seen your theory on meredith before but I'm right there with you popkorn. I posted a fairly long,thought out theory on it in this forum under the the thread about who claude was hiding from the company. I can't remember the name but you should go check it out!
Awesome, Alu ... I think I did read it, and I loved it - I'm just running out for a bit, but I'll definitely check it out again later today to refresh my memory
I think its safe to say Charlie was destined to die, but that could be said for all of us.
That's pretty definite, I'd say
Action Figure then wrote:
Yes it was coincidence that she had a fatal illness. No matter how many times Hiro goes back, the fact that Charlie dies at Sylar's hands cannot change. it has been confirmed that Sylar has Charlie's ability.
The reason Hiro goes back in time cannot change, or a paradox would occur. Charlie will always die by Sylar even if every other detail changes leading up to that.
I agree with you, in part AF - although I think it's more complicated than that.
I think it all depends on whether it's "destiny" or the "quantum leap factor" that made him jump out of the past before he could get Charlie away to Japan
If he could have prevented Sylar getting Charlie's ability, he would have, but was it destiny that stopped him, or some deeper part of himself that knew it would be better for her to live out her days in acceptance of certain death rather than in fear of an uncertain death.
While I think about it....did he even KNOW that Sylar was killing to take abilities at this point? I can't remember! lol
If he didn't, then the latter part of my statement above is probably true....if he did, then I'm afraid that I must side with Action Figure on this one.
There's a turn-up for the books, lol!
Oh, and Charlie's aneurism wasn't strictly incidental (or co-incidental [sic]) - it was instructional - Hiro's first lesson in the futility of trying to change the past.
The lesson goes, "Yes, you can change the past, but you cannot change past destinies. You may or may not be able to save her from Sylar, but you definitely cannot save her from an early death. Do not change the past, learn from it. Do not change the future, learn from it. Then be all that you can be in the present, and what will be, will be."
Yes, Sylar has been confirmed as having Charlie's ability. I can't really say that seeing it in the Graphic Novel is 'hard proof', but since the show seems to want to tie everything together with the GN, we'll have to settle for this proof in ink, rather than in color on our TV sets.
Charlie's death was an instructional tool for Hiro. Yes, he can travel in time, yes, he can alter some events, but he cannot change a destined outcome.
Charlie was destined to die that day, thus Hiro cannot change this outcome.
Sylar is destined to gain Charlie's ability, thus Sylar is the one who kills Charlie.
NYC is destined to blow up, but there's not a destined person. Hiro's various travels have confirmed that there is more than one. He's just trying to make sure that the one who _does_ blow up NYC isn't around later on to cause more trouble.
So then, was it just by coincidence that Charlie also had a fatal illness, or was she destined to die period? Because if the way Charlie couldn't be changed, then this just brings up the question of whether or not Hiro can really change the past...
I think its safe to say Charlie was destined to die, but that could be said for all of us.
Yes it was coincidence that she had a fatal illness. No matter how many times Hiro goes back, the fact that Charlie dies at Sylar's hands cannot change. it has been confirmed that Sylar has Charlie's ability.
The reason Hiro goes back in time cannot change, or a paradox would occur. Charlie will always die by Sylar even if every other detail changes leading up to that.
Enh, I personally think it doesn't work like that. If Hiro finds out later on that Sylar is using Charlie's ability to great effect for evil, and Hiro has much greater control of his ability in the future, Hiro could go back and either hide Charlie or kill her for the greater good as there was a few weeks timeframe from when Hiro "leaped" to when Charlie died, so that would prevent the "paradox".
He can't change the fact that she's going to die, but he can change the circumstances. Right now, it's his power that's stopping him. I just don't think he'd want to go back to see Charlie just to see that she's going to die again, it's too painful. But, he has the ability to. It's the choice he makes that stops him.
And from a writer's point of view, it's a continuity thing...change something too far back and entire episodes are blinked out of existence
You know how hiro and sylar are supposed to fight? and sylar is gonna be in season 2....so we know he lives? Well we knows hiro lives too because kring has mentioned a couple times that hiro has a love interest in the second season.....so it's obvious hiro won't die and he PROBABLY will teleport to feudal japan IMO. I'm guessing they'll both mess each other up a little bit.....or maybe future hiro teleports back and THAT's who sylar kills putting the timelines together and spinning things out of control. Present hiro must train in order to beat sylar or something....we'll see i'm so excited.
I can see Hiro and Sylar facing off. I just can't see Hiro being able to do anything to Sylar without getting himself in really deep trouble.
After all, the guy gets knocked out by a girl, and he's going to go toe-to-toe with a major baddie like Sylar and be able to hold his own?
I don't think so. This is where the jump to feudal Japan takes place. Hiro teleports back, takes on the persona of Kensei, and trains to be a fearless and ruthless samurai. Now driven by the code of Bushido, he returns to finish what he started, regardless of the cost.
sounds kind of crazy, but it's where I'm seeing the episodes leading..
I can see Hiro and Sylar facing off. I just can't see Hiro being able to do anything to Sylar without getting himself in really deep trouble.
After all, the guy gets knocked out by a girl, and he's going to go toe-to-toe with a major baddie like Sylar and be able to hold his own?
I don't think so. This is where the jump to feudal Japan takes place. Hiro teleports back, takes on the persona of Kensei, and trains to be a fearless and ruthless samurai. Now driven by the code of Bushido, he returns to finish what he started, regardless of the cost.
sounds kind of crazy, but it's where I'm seeing the episodes leading..
I agree that Hiro might not be able to take on Sylar yet (mainly because he doesn't have full control over his powers), although I hope that he would just freeze time and cut Sylar up, but I guess it can't be that easy.
However, I hope the episodes aren't leading to the scenario you've proposed, Jorm. The only reason I say this is because it would seem too Dragonball Z (for those of you who are familiar with the show) in terms of Trunks going back in time to train, as well as to help save the past from Cell, and then returning to his own timeline, stronger than ever at which point he defeats the Androids and Cell. Obviously, Trunks = Future Hiro and Sylar = Cell. Don't get me wrong - I love DBZ, but I hope Heroes can be a little more creative than this.
Well, it looks like I was probably wrong about the Candice is HRG part of my theory. I say probably because they discovered Matts escape before Matt and Ted got to HRG and the Company peeps seem to react quickly to things. Also, in the diner, HRG seems very confused about Linderman's relation to the company. When I saw that, it seemed odd to me that it would rattle the real HRG that much, even if he didn't know. It seemed very un-HRG to me...
I was right about the NYC field trip for Ted and Matt (and whichever HRG we have) though And with Mohinder calling the company, if HRG is not Candice posing as him, she should be on her way there anyway. That means Sylar still has the possibility of getting Candice and/or Ted's powers.
We also now have a reason for DL, Jessica, and Micah to be in NYC. If Linderman needs Micah to be in NYC to do what he needs him to do, DL and Jessica find out and go there to rescue him.
Hmmmm.....it's out there, but it's still kinda feasible, JJ0802
Thinking about it, Bennet MUST have known the Linderman connection - after all, he was the one that pointed Hana at the "Lonestar File" as a method of bringing down the company.
Best way to bring down the company? First destroy the tracking system, then tell the world about the Linderman connection.
Back to the bomb..... I think it's far less likely to be Ted now....with a little advice from Mr.Bennet, he's learned a whole helluva lot about how to control his power.
I also think it's much less likely to be Peter, too.....remember the dreams of the explosion? The Peter we saw then was the old Peter. He's rapidly becoming a different man, now. He's encountered Sylar twice and suffered greatly both times, but he's learned a LOT from it. There's a lot more stillness and control about Peter now. Notice how he's giving advice to Nathan now, and not the other way around. I think Peter's in control enough NOT to blow up.
So the choices are
1)A bomb of some kind (still my favourite, but hey)
2)Peter encounters Ted and gets his power, then Sylar encounters Peter and takes his brain
3)Sylar takes Ted's brain
1) There's no evidence for it so, even tho it's my favourite, I won't defend it here!
2) Not likely....Peter can heal before Sylar can finish his cut, so he's not gonna get THAT brain just yet. Besides, Peter's alive in "the future"....somewhere.
3) We haven't seen Ted in any clips of the future, have we? I don't think so. He doesn't have any special healing ability....just radiation-proof DNA and the ability to harness and instigate nuclear interactions. Now THAT's something Sylar's gonna like having.
Notice how quickly Ted recovers from his "outbursts"
Notice how quickly Sylar learned to control his "superhearing"
Sylar's going to take one look at Ted and say "Oh, I'm gonna have FUN with THAT power!"....Coz let's face it, he can probably create a big enough "nuclear event" (hot AND bright), right in the middle of New York to fix ALL those POOR SICK people! And guess what.....he'd probably survive it, too.
Meanwhile, the rest of the US (world) is going all X-Men and, under Nathan's leadership, hunting down and wiping out these mutant scum. Of course, that's gonna be much harder to do after the fact, especially if Matt, Ted and Bennet succeed in shutting down the tracking system....
I'm seeing something that I'm not sure qualifies here, but I'm going to post it anyway. I episode 17, Ted was shot, and lost all control over his power. The hurt and pain made him react.
Now, if Peter gains Ted's ability, and runs into Sylar again, there's a good possibility that Peter could go nuke, and wipe out the city.
Also, if Sylar were the one to gain the power, and get hurt. He also could go boom, and we'd have the same result. I'm just waiting to see which one comes out on top here..
Jorm - Do we know Ted lost control when he was shot? I thought he was just trying to go out with a bang (forgive the bad pun ). Maybe I'm having a false recollection. But that's a very plausible idea if it caused him to spiral out of control.
I agree Slippy, it is out there. Just trying to hold onto the theory as long as possible BTW, did you get any good info when they filmed the last scene? I mean with all your time line discussion, I could completely see your living room looking just like that so I thought they maybe shot it there
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