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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you recall correctly, head wounds bleed the most out of any injury you can sustain. Thus, if a skull were to be cracked open while the body was still alive, the amount of blood would be staggering.

Mainly, this is because the brain needs that much nourishment to be kept viable. If the blood were to be siphoned off somewhere, the brain would increase heart activity to try to replace the loss. And until the blood runs out, there's going to be quite a rush going towards the head.

This is one major reason that patients have to be put under for cranial surgery, and not local anisthetic. Because while a local can help keep the patient cognicent of their surroundings, it also makes the brain aware, and it reacts to fill a void. It's tough to operate when you're having to flush an area many, many, many times.

When a patient is under, the brain actually slows down enough that after a couple of passes, the blood flow stays more regular, and they are able to do more with less clearing of the area they're working in.

From what I've seen of Sylar, the victims are quite aware when he pounces, so the brain would be sending the body into overkill mode trying to replace the lost fluid right up until the time that it was removed from the cranium.

This would explain the huge pool that you see. If Issac were killed with his body pointed toward another room, (assuming there's a slight slant on the floor) then the blood would naturally flow to create the scene that Hiro stumbles upon.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another explanation for the blood trail could be that he was in a loft apartment that he chose to make into his painting studio. There's a very good chance that there's a drain somewhere in the floor which points directly at what Jorm was saying, a slight slant in the floor.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bow down to the almighty Jorm and Acidman for your knowledge - you always know how to explain scenarios Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Popkorn theory time (I am not hiding this because the previews have already been released by NBC, thus they are not spoilers):

So, we've seen that Peter is alive in the future, right? - (he attacks that swat officer in his awesome new Neo-esque outfit)

Also, I believe we have seen future Sylar as well (in that same preview - for a split second, we see somebody with the same facial features and hairstyle as Sylar throw a swat officer back with TK), thus Sylar is alive in the future too (because I believe that these swat officers are a part of the same team that Peter was messing with).

So. If Peter and Sylar are alive in the future, my guess is that unless the exploding man can explode without harming his own body, then Ted is our bomb. If Peter or Sylar exploded, they would also be vaporized in the explosion, just like all of the New Yorkers around them. Thus, Ted is the only person left.

Now to the meat of my theory-

Let's NOT consider the question of "HOW do you stop an exploding man," but rather the question: "WHY do we have to stop an exploding man." Perhaps it's not to save millions of lives, but rather another reason...

Let's just suppose for a second that in the future, the bomb went off (which is a safe assumption), but also that neither Peter, Hiro, Niki/Jessica, or Sylar were in the vicinity of the explosion (since we see all 4 of those characters in the "future" during the preview). By the time five years has rolled around, my guess is that Sylar has already obtained enough powers to become the most powerful special out there. On top of that, he can heal because he has Claire's power in ADDITION to this "phoenix" power that some of us suggested that he has. So, essentially, it's nearly impossible to kill Sylar, or even get close enough to kill him.

So... What if Save the Cheerleader means "save Claire so that I can bring her to my timeline and have MY Peter absorb her power," and Save the World means "save Ted so that I can bring him to my timline and have MY Peter absorb his power as well."? Claire's power would be useful because it would obviously give Future Peter a fighting chance against Future Sylar. And now to Ted's power... perhaps the only way to kill Future Sylar is to to vaporize him in an explosion equivalent to the bomb (because we've all suggested that not even Claire's power can save her from such an explosion), and thus the only way to get rid of Future Sylar is for Future Peter to absorb Past (Present) Ted's power and explode in front of F. Sylar.

Then again, I've just thought about something that weakens my theory. If this whole bringing Claire/Ted to the future was the case, then Future Hiro could have already gone back into the past, taken Claire and Ted, brought them to the future and had Future Peter absorb their powers whenever he wanted to. So maybe the reasoning that Future Hiro comes back in time to tell us "Save the Cheerleader, Save the world" is because he hopes it can physically affect his timeline somehow.

HOWEVER, to disprove what I just said in the last paragraph (bringing Ted and Claire to the future whenever Future Hiro wants)... let's say that Claire and Ted have died in the future timeline, which is very possible (Claire, at the hands of Sylar, and Ted b/c he was the bomb). Maybe Future Hiro can bring them to the future ONLY when there is a point in the timeline that alters their deaths, meaning that he can only bring Claire to the future when she has been physically saved by Peter in the past (post homecoming night), and he can only bring Ted to the future when he has been stopped from exploding (post November 8th). Thus, perhaps bringing them to a world when these savings haven't occurred yet in the fabric of time will cause them to disappear forever.

Bah, too much thinking... I'll let you guys/gals help me out now.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will say this:

1.Sylar does not have this "phoenix" power you people have coined for him. NO ONE who could die and then seconds later come back to life would want the power of regeneration so gosh darn badly as Sylar did. It just makes NO SENSE.

2. I will submit that I believe Claires ability full well could allow her to survive the exploion. I think the ENTIRE POINT of the scene in which Claire stops Ted in "Company Man" was to foreshadow this. The writers are constantly giving fans like ourselves examples of these things so that we can fully understand, and yet we keep nit-picking till it just gives us MORE questions than we had before! I, for one, will no longer be this type of fan.

this also happened with:
Claire being killed by the tree branch (the writers did this to prove to us that Claire could, in fact, die)
Hiro being unable to change the past ( to prove Hiro couldn't just "undo" anything bad)
They SPELLED it out for us in the comics that Sylar did not get Eden's power (yet many of you continue INSISTING he did, just because a vocal effect was used on him in an episode)


STOP DOING THIS TO YOURSELVES!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm. It could be that he has no phoenix power at all, and that it can, essentially, be explained through his "know how it works" ability.

Everyone knows how the body works. The heart pumps blood through our veins/arteries, and our lungs pump oxygen to our blood. The blood cycles through our brain, which tells the other body parts to keep moving. If he knows how to STOP that system, telekinetically, and keep enough blood flowing around his brain that he can keep his telekinesis up, but make it look as though he's lost his pulse and breathing, it would look, to any medical professional, that he's dead. At which point, the doctor would call time of death, and Sylar would open his eyes in that oh-so-cliche way he did.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much what I've been saying all along, Twist. Thats why the "tick tock" is heard when he wakes up.


NEW THEORY-

I refused to believe this before, but perhaps Sylar does take Candace's illusion ability. Here's why-

Remember that weird dream Peter had of Nathan, and at the end he turned into Sylar? Perhaps that was a sign of things to come...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly like that idea Action. It seems to me that Sylar has had more than his fair share of close calls with OWI, so it stands to reason that at some point he's going to also come up close and personal with Candace.

I also agree with the idea of him knowing his own body mechanics enough to be able to feign death and fool nearly all medical experts. After all, if you can keep cellular mitation continuing even without the beating of a heart, and be able to fool an EEG with some well-placed TK, then you could for all intents and purposes be believed to be dead.

However, I don't know how much effort it would take to fool a brain scan. After all, using TK requires quite a bit of mental activity, and I don't know if there really is a way to mask your brain waves.

But I really, really do like the idea!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also like that theory, but the reason I've been suggesting this 'phoenix' thing is because, I dunno, I just expected a few of these unexplained Sylar events to be explained by something other than TK and his ability to see how things work. In my opinion, this suggests that having those two abilities alone could make someone near invincible. Perhaps we are indeed overthinking things (as per usual), but then again this wouldn't be as an exciting Theories forum if we weren't examining every little possibility, as ridiculous as some may seem.


Now, as for the Nathan = Sylar theory, I REALLY like that one Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jormengrund wrote:
... After all, if you can keep cellular mitation continuing even without the beating of a heart, and be able to fool an EEG with some well-placed TK, then you could for all intents and purposes be believed to be dead ...


What is mitation? I know mutation and mitosis, but not mitation.
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Forgive the typo Payquage. I wrote that post at 2am, and I was 3/4ths asleep! After reading that last, I can actually laugh at it myself.

Mitosis was what I was aiming for. Keeping the normal cellular cycle moving would keep the brain functioning enough to support activity.
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I think I got it now, even though this seems like a theory that was probably posted already:

Future Hiro went back in time to tell Peter to “Save the Cheerleader.” This, as a result, made Peter absorb too many powers and overload, thus giving him his dreams. In the dreams he saw Claude. In New York, he was on the phone buying plane tickets when he saw Claude, whose face he recognized. Thus, with Claude’s help, Peter is able to control his powers, which would explain why he will not be the bomb. In his dream in the hospital, he says to Nathan, “I absorbed his power, and I can’t control it.” Future Hiro’s blast to the past must have written Peter meeting Claude into the fabric of time. Thus, Peter WOULD HAVE been the bomb had he not met Claude because he would have gone on the flight to the Nevada desert and inadvertently run into Ted, who was also “somewhere in the Nevada desert.”

So, if we think about this in the same way as the Charlie scene, Charlie dies at the hands of Sylar in the present. Hiro goes back and discovers that Charlie still dies, but this time by some other method. Thus, my theory is that in the original timeline, the explosion happened because Peter was the bomb. However, Future Hiro going back in time does nothing to the explosion itself (like the death of Charlie itself) – it just changes who causes the explosion (much like it changed the method of Charlie’s death). So… perhaps Ted does get to New York somehow…

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way Charlie died didn't change.

Sylar murdered her both times.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The way Charlie died didn't change.

Sylar murdered her both times.


So then, was it just by coincidence that Charlie also had a fatal illness, or was she destined to die period? Because if the way Charlie couldn't be changed, then this just brings up the question of whether or not Hiro can really change the past...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thus, Peter WOULD HAVE been the bomb had he not met Claude because he would have gone on the flight to the Nevada desert and inadvertently run into Ted, who was also “somewhere in the Nevada desert.”

So, if we think about this in the same way as the Charlie scene, Charlie dies at the hands of Sylar in the present. Hiro goes back and discovers that Charlie still dies, but this time by some other method. Thus, my theory is that in the original timeline, the explosion happened because Peter was the bomb. However, Future Hiro going back in time does nothing to the explosion itself (like the death of Charlie itself) – it just changes who causes the explosion (much like it changed the method of Charlie’s death). So… perhaps Ted does get to New York somehow…

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Sounds pretty fair to me. Peter should not be the bomb any more, now that he's met Claude. Ted could still explode, though he would have to escape from his captors first. We also see Hiro go to the future after the bomb has exploded, so we know that the bomb is still on track to go off. We would presume it is Ted that will explode now, but anything could happen.
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