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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All good points Action!

My thoughts are that Nathan is starting to chicken out, so I put him in the decidedly anti-bomb faction in this loop.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sounds like a decent premise. Only problem I have with it is more of the whole "Let's rip off of X-men" thing.

Five Years Gone = Days of Future Past
Molly's Virus = The Legacy Virus.

Seriously. Hollywood HAS lost all originality. I'm sure it'll be better than whatever Fox could come up with for a movie, though, so I'm not complaining.


While I agree that there is a lot of X-men ripping, I think the biggest influence at the moment is actually The Watchmen. If I remember correctly, Loeb is a huge Alan Moore fan, so that makes sense.

Anyway, the former Hero deciding to create world peace by killing off most of New York has been done lol.

I think the show is an interesting mix of: X-men, Watchmen, and Rising Stars (Sylar getting power addicted from killing off other "specials" is eerily reminiscent).

That doesn't really bother me though, there isn't much that is totally 'new' that you can write. Hell, LOST is a modern take-off on Dante's Purgatorio.

Most of the story elements they've borrowed have been good ones, and they done a good job of giving the show its own identity (using those story elements in a unique way).

Anyway, I'm on board with Ted as the bomb now. Something sets him off. It seems to obviously NOT be Peter, and it wouldn't seem to be Sylar either. Only other option would be if it turned out not to be a person after all. Linderman, depserate because his plan isnt unfolding, has a contingency suitcase nuke. He then manipulates things so that he blames it on the 'mutants' anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wait a second....I had not realized this before....when it is said that Ted is picked up by the Fed,

you think they would haul him off in a regular car, or a big huge SWAT type truck. Just like the one we see Sylar flip over at night in the preview. I think Ted is knocked out by the Fed (or the company, or somebody before he goes Nova and taken into custody).

Also at night (and I would hazard a guess later that same night) we see Sylar on top of the building and his eyes flash with fire. I think this is the point Sylar has killed Ted (am sure the SWAT truck flipping like that helped a heck of a lot) and taken his powers, setting up the final showdown.


I'm siding with you on this theory, Minotaur. It makes sense to me. Doesn't solve who the bomb is, but I will say I am definitely not in the "Ted is the bomb" camp. It also fits with what Action said:
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you forgot Nathan...



Peter blows up, I'll bet anything.

Sylar lives for season 2, its confirmed.

Whoever has the radiation power is immune to it, so they wont die.

We dont know that Peter is in season 2.

The bomb will most likely go off (but when and how is the real question)

Sylar kills another hero in the next episode.


All things worth thinking about. Smile


Another hero dies next episode = Ted. Whether the bomb is Sylar or Peter....eeeeh....Either could go kablooey. Sylar's crazy enough to do it, and poor Peter is likely to get sucked into it. I'm undecided until someone comes up with a theory just crazy enough to make me believe it. Confused

One question though....if shooting Ted made him go nova at the Bennet house...How will Sylar cut open his head without causing the explosion? ....Hmm........... chin
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway, I'm on board with Ted as the bomb now. Something sets him off. It seems to obviously NOT be Peter, and it wouldn't seem to be Sylar either. Only other option would be if it turned out not to be a person after all. Linderman, depserate because his plan isnt unfolding, has a contingency suitcase nuke. He then manipulates things so that he blames it on the 'mutants' anyway.


I don't think Ted's up to be the bomb. It's been all but confirmed through some interesting scene placement in the trailers, and through other spoiler sources (Kristin at E!) that Ted's getting a cat scan the hard way from Sylar next episode.

And then there were two.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Ted is stunned, or frozen, I don't think we'll see him go nova. Hey.. do you know someone with freezing powers? Shocked

I'm thinking Peter's going to be Mr. Boom, just because he's still jumping into situations without thinking about the ramifications of his actions. He's put himself next to Ted this last episode, and is now learning about the power Ted keeps under control. What's to say that he doesn't keep it totally that way, and loses his control at a critical moment?

I'd have to say that Claire's got some serious choices to make.

1) Side with HRG, and try to help him bring down OWI.

2) Side with Peter, and try to help keep him from going nova.

3) Side with Nathan, stop HRG, assist Linderman, and basically bring NYC down to what we saw in '5 years gone'


Quite a mind twist for a Texas cheerleader..
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a question...

In the "Five Years Gone" timeline, do we think that F. Sylar possessed Ted's ability? That is to say, when F. Sylar existed during the time of the explosion in HIS time, did he claim Ted's brain?

I don't know if there's enough evidence or not to say either way - just because Nathan told the world that Sylar was the bomb doesn't mean that he actually had the ability. If F. Sylar never claimed Ted's ability, then I would say that that's a very big change in the timeline right there, making that change number 2 (in addition to saving Claire).

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jormengrund wrote:
If Ted is stunned, or frozen, I don't think we'll see him go nova. Hey.. do you know someone with freezing powers? Shocked


Thanks for that. It totally makes sense. I'm completely on board with "Ted's not the bomb" now. And yeah, I still see that Peter can be the bomb, but you're also forgetting that Sylar wants to be the bomb now. And when Sylar wants something, you know things can get ugly.

Popkorn615 wrote:
Here's a question...

In the "Five Years Gone" timeline, do we think that F. Sylar possessed Ted's ability? That is to say, when F. Sylar existed during the time of the explosion in HIS time, did he claim Ted's brain?

I don't know if there's enough evidence or not to say either way - just because Nathan told the world that Sylar was the bomb doesn't mean that he actually had the ability. If F. Sylar never claimed Ted's ability, then I would say that that's a very big change in the timeline right there, making that change number 2 (in addition to saving Claire).

Thoughts?


I don't know if we're given enough clues to say for sure. If maybe they dedicated more time as to how Peter was the bomb (which I'm sure they intentionally didn't do), then we could pass judgment on it. But it's never really clarified why it's blamed on Sylar other than to protect Peter.

I guess you could run with the assumption that it was blamed on Sylar because Sylar was known to have Ted's power, but there's so much lying and misdirection in the events that led up to what we saw that I don't think we can say anything definitively.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok I just wanted to throw a quick idea out there... What if the bomb is a big hoax orhcestrated by Linderman involving a few other specials?
First let's assume that NY is basically deserted as seen in Peter's 'dream vision'

Ok then there's Candace who can cast illusions.. That not only 'hide' her but the environment as can be seen when she 'hides' Simones body and takes on her pesona. She would be doing the brunt of the work ie making it look like one big explosion. (She may need some help from an unknown heroe who can amplify other's powers.)

Next there is Micah who erases/destroys all digitial/video/electronic machinary in the vicinity of NY. (or it could be Ted using his 'new' refined power of the EMP.)

and Finally there is the Haitin who erases/manipulates the minds of all of those that are present.

All of this is so that Linderman can get Nathan elected into the presidency so that he can get all those with special powers 'registered' and he'll know where they are so he can use them for his own personal gains......

Ok it's a REALLY, REALLY far-fetched scenario but wanted to share.



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

popkorn615 wrote:
Here's a question...

In the "Five Years Gone" timeline, do we think that F. Sylar possessed Ted's ability? That is to say, when F. Sylar existed during the time of the explosion in HIS time, did he claim Ted's brain?

I don't know if there's enough evidence or not to say either way - just because Nathan told the world that Sylar was the bomb doesn't mean that he actually had the ability. If F. Sylar never claimed Ted's ability, then I would say that that's a very big change in the timeline right there, making that change number 2 (in addition to saving Claire).

Thoughts?


Well, Peter admits to Nikki that he was the one that blew and destroyed NYC. If Peter absorbs the power, then Ted's still alive, and susceptible to Sylar taking a brain munch, and gaining the power as well.

Another thought I had to the future scenario is this:

Even though Peter thinks that he was the one that blew up NYC, it was Nathan that covered for Peter, right? Who's to say that Future Nathan that covered up Peter's pop wasn't really Sylar with Candace's ability covering up his own dirty deed?

This is the scenario:

Sylar and Peter have another duke-out, and Sylar ducks and covers. Finding Candace, Sylar then slices, dices, and makes a brain casserole. Gaining her ability, he then goes to find Peter once again, but as someone Peter trusts. Getting Peter alone, Sylar/Nathan/whomever knocks Peter out, then goes and blows NYC. Waking Peter up, Sylar/Nathan then tells Peter to go hide, and he'll cover up this disaster Peter's brought out by destroying New York. Peter, filled with guilt for the destruction of New York, flees, eating up everything Sylar tells him. Sylar then morphs into Peter, the _real_ Nathan comes to find him, and Sylar makes a light snack of Nate's brain. Next stop, the White House for Sylar/Nathan!!
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been looking for a way to say this correctly for days, but this will just have to do, for now.

I believe that Five Years Gone was a Future Based off of the events we'd seen up to the point where Hiro teleported into the future. From that point on, it was basically on auto-pilot based on the choices that were most likely to happen based on the current events. Peter blew up, Nathan got elected/started throwing specials into tracking systems and whatnot, etc. It's ALMOST what's going to happen.

Based on this, I'd say there was a big enough chance that Sylar was going to kill Ted (as nothing Hiro did once he got back from the future changed or had much of an effect on any of Sylar's own actions) that yeah, he probably had his power.

But Sylar survived. Why? Because, up until that point, Hiro didn't have Isaac's comic book. So he would have gone forward, firstly not thinking to go after Sylar, and secondly not knowing that Sylar kills Ando. So he wouldn't have had the courage to save Ando until it was too late.

Now, he's got his guide back (the book). He knows what to do, where to go, and when to go there and do it. He just doesn't know what to say. But as long as he follows the general idea of the comic, and doesn't say anything TOO much out of character, he should be okay, and safe from turning into the man he saw as his future self.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jormengrund wrote:
This is the scenario:

Sylar and Peter have another duke-out, and Sylar ducks and covers. Finding Candace, Sylar then slices, dices, and makes a brain casserole. Gaining her ability, he then goes to find Peter once again, but as someone Peter trusts. Getting Peter alone, Sylar/Nathan/whomever knocks Peter out, then goes and blows NYC. Waking Peter up, Sylar/Nathan then tells Peter to go hide, and he'll cover up this disaster Peter's brought out by destroying New York. Peter, filled with guilt for the destruction of New York, flees, eating up everything Sylar tells him. Sylar then morphs into Peter, the _real_ Nathan comes to find him, and Sylar makes a light snack of Nate's brain. Next stop, the White House for Sylar/Nathan!!


The only problem I have is that I still don't think we will see Sylar get Candace's yet. Now I say this simply based upon the actions in 'Five years gone'. Hiro even says that he brought Candace to HRG...now if Sylar already had her abilities (meaning she was dead and Sylar was posing as her), I don't see him passing up the opportunity to slice and dice Hiro for his abilities. I mean, I guess that can change by Hiro doing things different after going to the future....but if not....
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But Sylar survived. Why? Because, up until that point, Hiro didn't have Isaac's comic book. So he would have gone forward, firstly not thinking to go after Sylar, and secondly not knowing that Sylar kills Ando.

I'm not quite following. When Future Hiro originally tried to kill Sylar, he didn't have the comic, but he still knew to go after him.
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Here's a question...

In the "Five Years Gone" timeline, do we think that F. Sylar possessed Ted's ability? That is to say, when F. Sylar existed during the time of the explosion in HIS time, did he claim Ted's brain?



Too hard to say...in some shots of the "the battle" between sylar and peter, it looks like Ted's EMP...while other stills and shots look like it could the ice/freeze ability (but now that we've seen him use the freeze ability, I'm feeling more EMP, because it looks like his hands are glowing blue, and his hand doesn't glow or turn blue at all either when he's creating the human snow globe or when he freezes hiro's sword)
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperBoot96 wrote:
popkorn615 wrote:
Here's a question...

In the "Five Years Gone" timeline, do we think that F. Sylar possessed Ted's ability? That is to say, when F. Sylar existed during the time of the explosion in HIS time, did he claim Ted's brain?



Too hard to say...in some shots of the "the battle" between sylar and peter, it looks like Ted's EMP...while other stills and shots look like it could the ice/freeze ability (but now that we've seen him use the freeze ability, I'm feeling more EMP, because it looks like his hands are glowing blue, and his hand doesn't glow or turn blue at all either when he's creating the human snow globe or when he freezes hiro's sword)


I guess much like iceman in X-men... hehe would be too much if his whole body turn blue....
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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