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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm...i'm on the bandwagon. Even though i was proven wrong about sylar being able to use one power at a time (illusion power + TK/phasing) peter's still got the upper hand. But i will not say that doesn't mean sylar can't win. We've seen that even the smallest things can make a strong person fall (chalkboard taking out sylar.) So if sylar were to say lodge something in peter's brain and then cut off his head, he could win. But i highly doubt he would. I mean, come on peter is a bad ass. We already know time stopping would completely tear sylar apart. And no, we haven't seen anybody die while time was frozen. But remember when hiro saves that little girl from being hit by that truck? He moved her out of the way and she was fine. Now i realize this has nothing to do with someone dying, but you mean to tell me that hiro could move the girl, but if he tried to twist her arm back and break it it wouldn't work? I'm pretty sure it would.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but...im wondering why...damn...why he WANTED suresh to be the one to kill hiro (thus taking out the haitain according to my theory)
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

deftonesdea wrote:
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but...im wondering why...damn...why he WANTED suresh to be the one to kill hiro (thus taking out the haitain according to my theory)


Sylar never saw that comic. Isaac sent it off before Sylar could ever see what was in the envelope (which include information as to how to kill Sylar), so Sylar didn't know that he was actually fulfilling Isaac's prophecy when he sent Mohinder to put down Hiro.

Perhaps after Sylar-Nathan was told that F. Hiro escaped with Ando and F. Peter, he knew that they would be back to rescue P. Hiro. Thus, Sylar-Nathan felt that Matt would be more useful on the front line with the SWAT officers just in case they did decide to return to rescue Hiro, which is exactly what they did.

Sylar-Nathan may have also been testing Mohinder to see how loyal he was. After all, when they're in the Oval Office, Sylar-Nathan reminds Mohinder about the promise/agreement they made when the explosion went off.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yea, thats what i've been saying.....i think somehow sylar from the future gains the ability to time travel (maybe)


And I'm going to agree with you and Action Cool


So is the suggestion that the other thing that comes back from the future is a Future Sylar who has somehow defeated or incapacitated Peter in the fight AND who has absorbed Future Hiro's and/or Future Haitian's powers?

Does that mean that present day Hiro kills present day Sylar and the villain for next year is an all powerful future Sylar?

Three questions:
1) How the hell did Pete loose?
2) Wasn't Haitian pretty much dead or close to dead or powers gone by this point -- injection had already happenned?
3) Wasn't Future Hiro pretty much close to dead also? Can you absorb someone's power after they are dead? I have gotten the impression that Sylar must see how the power works before he takes it -- if he's faced with a dead brain, it might as well be useless to him (I am assuming)???
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to clear up that i dont think Future sylar goes back in time.


I just said it was possible, not probable.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is becoming increasingly obvious that there is a Future Sylar in the present. Think about this... they will not kill Sylar off, he is too popular a character. I think the version that gets killed at the end of the season is the future all-powerful version, not the present, weaker version.

I think it's interesting that Issac-killing Sylar in the present has the same wardrobe as the Sylar that battles Peter in Five Years Gone. It could just mean that Syler NEEDS a fashion consultant. Besides, he does have the welt on his face from being slammed by Mohinder in .07%. Or could it have been caused by something else... like a burn?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am lead to believe that there is only one timeline at play here. everything according to the comic is playing out. remember Isaac has the ability to tell the future and to date he's done just that. We are told more then once that Hiro can "fold" time on it self. So, thus there is one timeline that can cross each other. to say there is a future Sylar/peter that differs from the present one is inaccurate. the only difference is that time has passed, one in the same just older. Isaac has seen Sylars death, thats common knowledge, it just took hiro to do all of what he did to make it happen. Isaacs fortune telling didnt change with every leap Hiro took so we know the events are pretty much set in stone. Hiro is desperately trying to change something that happened with his present knowledge but Isaac already knows what happened and his attempt at changing the past which he made a comic of. so, at the end of the day all what is happening is playing out to what has been fortold. it just took some time travelling to make it happen.
so there is no need for all this talk of alternate timelines
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and to just address the question at and. Peter is more powerful

all of the abilites hes acquired plus those of Sylars. by shear numbers Peter has more abilities which equates to more power. who will win in a fight...it all depends on tactics. all it take is one well placed blow. who will get something lodged in their head first? (and yes, i believe Peter has the regeneration ability becuase he is the same Peter from 5 years prior.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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who will win in a fight...it all depends on tactics.


My thoughts exactly, Lavi Cool It's all about strategy. I believe that Future Peter can take Future Sylar on. It's not going to be easy, of course, but he will still be able to overpower F. Sylar because he's probably learned to use his brains in battle.

HOWEVER, as for Present Peter, he's not quite up to par yet, so while Present Peter is PHYSICALLY more powerful than Sylar (in terms of the amount of abilities he possesses), Present Sylar knows how to fight and use his powers and his surroundings to his advantage. Peter just thinks he can run around as an invisible man in every battle and not get hurt. He's going to have to change that way of thinking.

Thoughts?


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

popkorn615 wrote:
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who will win in a fight...it all depends on tactics.


My thoughts exactly, Lavi Cool It's all about strategy. I believe that Future Peter can take Future Sylar on. It's not going to be easy, of course, but he will still be able to overpower F. Sylar.

HOWEVER, as for Present Peter, he's not quite up to par yet, so while Present Peter is PHYSICALLY more powerful than Sylar (in terms of the amount of abilities he possesses), Present Sylar knows how to fight and use his powers and his surroundings to his advantage.

Thoughts?


i couldnt agree any more!!!
and thats most likely why he (peter) ended up with the scar.
david and goliath theory...we just gotta figure which one is which
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lavi wrote:

i couldnt agree any more!!!
and thats most likely why he (peter) ended up with the scar.
david and goliath theory...we just gotta figure which one is which


Actually... if you get a moment, check THIS THEORY out regarding the scar. It's Jorm's post followed by my post at the bottom of page three of the link Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

popkorn615 wrote:
Lavi wrote:

i couldnt agree any more!!!
and thats most likely why he (peter) ended up with the scar.
david and goliath theory...we just gotta figure which one is which


Actually... if you get a moment, check THIS THEORY out regarding the scar. It's Jorm's post followed by my post at the bottom of page three of the link Smile


makes sense to me!
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My thoughts exactly, Lavi It's all about strategy. I believe that Future Peter can take Future Sylar on. It's not going to be easy, of course, but he will still be able to overpower F. Sylar because he's probably learned to use his brains in battle.

HOWEVER, as for Present Peter, he's not quite up to par yet, so while Present Peter is PHYSICALLY more powerful than Sylar (in terms of the amount of abilities he possesses), Present Sylar knows how to fight and use his powers and his surroundings to his advantage. Peter just thinks he can run around as an invisible man in every battle and not get hurt. He's going to have to change that way of thinking.




Peter can stop time, sylar can't. How is that an evenly matched fight? Peter can regenerate, sylar can't. Peter can absorb any of Sylar's powers (proven to me on multiple occasions by ACTION), Sylar can't take any of Peter's. I think it boils down to the fact that ACTION (the perpetual correctionist) was right in saying that Peter is dumb, which is frustrating as hell to watch.....
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My thoughts exactly, Lavi It's all about strategy. I believe that Future Peter can take Future Sylar on. It's not going to be easy, of course, but he will still be able to overpower F. Sylar because he's probably learned to use his brains in battle.

HOWEVER, as for Present Peter, he's not quite up to par yet, so while Present Peter is PHYSICALLY more powerful than Sylar (in terms of the amount of abilities he possesses), Present Sylar knows how to fight and use his powers and his surroundings to his advantage. Peter just thinks he can run around as an invisible man in every battle and not get hurt. He's going to have to change that way of thinking.




Peter can stop time, sylar can't. How is that an evenly matched fight? Peter can regenerate, sylar can't. Peter can absorb any of Sylar's powers (proven to me on multiple occasions by ACTION), Sylar can't take any of Peter's. I think it boils down to the fact that ACTION (the perpetual correctionist) was right in saying that Peter is dumb, which is frustrating as hell to watch.....


I don't see Peter as Dumb per-se, more like privileged naiveté. Sylar is the 'working-man blue collar' type who has the street smarts to survive, and will do anything to survive. Peter (on the other side of the coin) is a hospice nurse who only wants to help dying people. I would say that Peter is at a considerable disadvantage from this point of view. The reason F-Peter is so powerful is because he has learned those skills that we see P-Sylar have (not powers...).
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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