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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well if by "future," you mean the one we just saw in episode 20 (Loop #2), and the Peter vs. Sylar that they leave us with, then Sylar definitely outmatches Peter in my opinion - he's acquired Claire's healing ability. We are unsure as to whether or not Future Peter has this healing ability (because Claire is now alive, however it was Present Peter that saved her, not Future Peter). He also has a scar, and with Claire's ability the scar would have fully healed. Future Peter never had Claire's power, and it wouldn't make sense if Future Peter just one day had the ability to heal. Thus, IMO, Future Sylar possesses healing and Future Peter does not, and Future Sylar > Future Peter as of the end of episode 20.

However, as for as things are now in the present timeline, I'd have to say that Peter possesses the potential to be stronger than Sylar, but only after Peter develops his fighting skills (mentality, strategies) when confronting Sylar, otherwise Sylar will just immediately go for the kill over and over again, and Peter's bound to lose his noggin one day.

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But I think this fight is instructive as to what WILL happen in their next encounter in our timeline (their corrected timeline). So this discussion is valid for their next fight...... (I know, there has been a previous thread).

Obviously, Peter, as he is facing Sylar will absorb the "Healing Ability". Will that matter? Peter is also going to be extremely STRONG (from Nikki/Jessica). Will he be nuclear? (Was that nuclear power he was igniting or "pyro" power?)

I believe in that timeline he was healed by Linderman -- hence the scar. I don't think Sylar will go immediately for the kill.

But a very interesting thought occurs: Why wouldn't Peter stop time immediately with HIRO'S power and then OFF Sylar right then and there??? question

That's like the ULTIMATE advantage.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter MUST have had Claire's healing ability b4 taking on Sylar in the future...remember that he definitely saved Claire from Sylar in the past (present time for us)...that is the sequence of events that is being described. Also, in the original past, Sylar was the bomb, but when Future Hiro returned to his time, all memories of the event changed, hence Peter saying that HE was the bomb.

With Peter's time travel powers, he has the one up on Sylar...but in the current battle, he is probably too pissed to think about that, and just wants to toast Sylar into oblivion
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hercules67 wrote:
popkorn615 wrote:
Well if by "future," you mean the one we just saw in episode 20 (Loop #2), and the Peter vs. Sylar that they leave us with, then Sylar definitely outmatches Peter in my opinion - he's acquired Claire's healing ability. We are unsure as to whether or not Future Peter has this healing ability (because Claire is now alive, however it was Present Peter that saved her, not Future Peter). He also has a scar, and with Claire's ability the scar would have fully healed. Future Peter never had Claire's power, and it wouldn't make sense if Future Peter just one day had the ability to heal. Thus, IMO, Future Sylar possesses healing and Future Peter does not, and Future Sylar > Future Peter as of the end of episode 20.

However, as for as things are now in the present timeline, I'd have to say that Peter possesses the potential to be stronger than Sylar, but only after Peter develops his fighting skills (mentality, strategies) when confronting Sylar, otherwise Sylar will just immediately go for the kill over and over again, and Peter's bound to lose his noggin one day.

Thoughts?


But I think this fight is instructive as to what WILL happen in their next encounter in our timeline (their corrected timeline). So this discussion is valid for their next fight...... (I know, there has been a previous thread).

Obviously, Peter, as he is facing Sylar will absorb the "Healing Ability". Will that matter? Peter is also going to be extremely STRONG (from Nikki/Jessica). Will he be nuclear? (Was that nuclear power he was igniting or "pyro" power?)

I believe in that timeline he was healed by Linderman -- hence the scar. I don't think Sylar will go immediately for the kill.

But a very interesting thought occurs: Why wouldn't Peter stop time immediately with HIRO'S power and then OFF Sylar right then and there??? question

That's like the ULTIMATE advantage.

THOUGHTS?


Eh, I still say neither would ever win, because as Hercules just pointed out, Peter would get Claire's power just by being around when Sylar heals. And theoretically, if F. Hiro went back to Peter, specifically, and told him to save Claire, and she survives, then it stands to reason that Peter got her power by successfully saving her. I am not about to get into timeline theories here, because that just makes my head hurt and gets us nowhere fast.

But anyway, even if F. Peter didn't have Claire's power when he went kablooey (hence the scar) he would still get it just by being around Sylar. Peter, in his future bad-tush state, is probably very skilled with his mimicry, so whatever trick Sylar pulls out, I don't doubt that Peter would just turn around and use it on him. They wouldn't be able to kill each other.

As for stopping time and just killing him, idk, but it looks like Hiro attempts that next episode and it doesn't turn out so hot for him.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for stopping time and just killing him, idk, but it looks like Hiro attempts that next episode and it doesn't turn out so hot for him.


Yeah, I have a theory about that. Go here to read it:

Does Sylar Kill His Mom?

So maybe Sylar is about to get a really important power from his mom that will help him in fighting Hiro and Peter and their Time Traveling ability.

Which makes me thing all the more that Molly Walker is actually a "LEECH", something I posted elsewhere.

In this scenario, Sylar is starting to be more evenly matched against Peter now, in LOOP 3, and pretty damn powerful in LOOP 2. Peter needs control. Peter also needs a power inventory, something some "Seasoning" and more fighting can only bring about.

Although, I do think, ultimately, in LOOP 2, Peter would have won.....
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, remember that Ando said that it was Peter the one who saved Claire at the homecoming in the past, and HRG gave his help to them just because of that, so its very possible that F.Peter does have Claire's power. Besides, even if he doesn't, the same moment sylar touched him peter gained everyone of his powers thus gainig regeneration.... So theres no way Sylar can be more powerfull than peter, because peter does still have powers that sylar don't (like chronokinesis for example), the main difference here is that sylar has the surprise factor when using a power that peter doesn't now sylar has...

And by the way, Peter used Fire against Sylar cryokinesis, and that power was Pyrokinesis (like Claire's biological mom) and not Ted's Radioactiveness...
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitome wrote:
Well, remember that Ando said that it was Peter the one who saved Claire at the homecoming in the past, and HRG gave his help to them just because of that, so its very possible that F.Peter does have Claire's power. Besides, even if he doesn't, the same moment sylar touched him peter gained everyone of his powers thus gainig regeneration.... So theres no way Sylar can be more powerfull than peter, because peter does still have powers that sylar don't (like chronokinesis for example), the main difference here is that sylar has the surprise factor when using a power that peter doesn't now sylar has...

And by the way, Peter used Fire against Sylar cryokinesis, and that power was Pyrokinesis (like Claire's biological mom) and not Ted's Radioactiveness...


Absolutely right, I was just going to make a post just like yours. Present Peter got Claire's ability, therefore the Future Peter would also have it, since they are the same person! And even if he didn't, as has been said, he could absorb it from Sylar anyway.

But the real beef now comes with the present again, it's all up to Hiro now.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Peter did not try to stop time because of the amount of concentration it takes. Sylar was looking right at him and could TK him to stop the concentration if he tried. However, if there is ever a moment when Sylar was thrown down, or got turned around Peter could Stop time and TK a stick through his head. I think this would almost be a never ending battle, but I still think in the end F-Peter had enough mastery of his powers that he would win...but I think the devistation would make the original Nuke seem small...
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For all the people who think Peter and Sylar are evenly matched or that Sylar has the advantage,I am sorry to say but your wrong.No matter how many powers sylar accuires he still wouldnt stand a chance againdst peter for two reasons.

1.being the most obvious,pete would just absorb all his powers and whoop him.

2.being that pete has control over the spacetime continium,and that is by far the most powerful ability in the series.With that ability pete could easily freeze time,slice sylars head off and..........................i dunno maybe burn it to ashes or something,but once he destroys his brain,hes dead forever.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea, but we've never really seen ANYTHING happen in frozen time except...

peter + hiro talking

people walking around in slowed time

the person moving in froze time can move around and teleport someone they touch

they can lock people up or bind them/move them around etc

we never see anything like....someone get killed right? or....setting someone on fire etc...

yea, future peter = has/used to have claire's ability (i mean the future in eps 20, loop 2)
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why Sylar cannot be as powerful as Peter

Peter has Eden's suggestion.

Sylar can never gain this power because Eden is dead.

So Peter will always at the very least have every power Sylar has +1.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is why Sylar cannot be as powerful as Peter

Peter has Eden's suggestion.

Sylar can never gain this power because Eden is dead.

So Peter will always at the very least have every power Sylar has +1.


The only question then is, when will Peter realize he has this ability?
I'm thinking that only through HRG or Mohinder will Peter realize he has the power of suggestion. Or perhaps he finds out from Mohinder that Eden had an ability, and from HRG that the ability was suggestion (since Mohinder was never told what the ability is).

*cough* not to mention the fact that Peter also has Haitian's ability *ahem* so he might not even need Eden's ability to put Sylar down.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didnt bother mentioning the Haitians ability because I figured if Sylar won the battle he could just walk into the next room and chow down on dead haitian and Hiro brain (and probably Parkman, too)
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I didnt bother mentioning the Haitians ability because I figured if Sylar won the battle he could just walk into the next room and chow down on dead haitian and Hiro brain (and probably Parkman, too)


Ahhhhhh, gotcha Cool
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea, thats what i've been saying.....i think somehow sylar from the future gains the ability to time travel (maybe)
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deftonesdea wrote:
yea, thats what i've been saying.....i think somehow sylar from the future gains the ability to time travel (maybe)


And I'm going to agree with you and Action Cool
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