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So it's official Adam Monroe is Nikki's great grand father?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be rude but why Nikki/Jessica of all the woman in Heroes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because one of the spoilers that were released was that Niki would be back, but not as herself...so, we are guessing she could team up with Adam. But really, there are no other female villains we've seen that it could be. Maybe Elle, but looks like she loves being a hero now...

His new wife needs to be someone who can find him and get him out of a grave.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A while back, wasn't it a rumor that Nikki and Adam would be sharing some screen time together?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its possible.

Really I just want this writers strike to end already. They won't ever come to an agreement, and too many people are losing their jobs and money. Enough already writers you make enough money, you don't need internet copyrights yet. Lets care about the little people who really need the cash. Plus the award shows are out.
What I want to know is how are they still writing the Graphic Novels with the strike up...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They probably were planned in advanced. Doesnt take much work to make as a episode would be, with cuts and reshots.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they were not planned in advance. Comic boodk writers (for the most part) simply are not members of the WGA and are thus able to write the novels. Generally they work freelance anyway.


And the writers deserve every bit of the money for which they are striking. It is THEIR money, and they are just not receiving it. It does suck that others are losing their jobs over it, but it is good that many Late night shows are returning to work anyway to help out their crews, not much can be done for sitcom and drama shows though. The people losing their jobs should join in the strike lines and show support, though. The bigger the voice the WGA has, the sooner they might get their earnings.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Adam's new missus/Oxygen/Dodgy vampire crap Reply with quote

As far as we know the only person who is aware of Adam's location is Hiro, even adam doesnt know where he is, just that he is in a coffin. Therefore whoever finds him would have to have some kind of power where they could know where he is, like Molly. Whoever it is that breaks Adam out of the coffin would have to use Molly or a similar hero, unless they had that power themselves.

I reckon there's a good chance that Elle, or a similar character with unbalanced trust and previous dark patches with the company may use Molly to find Adam and try to assist him in his goal... If not then summit along those lines.

Also, the fact that he states specifically that his new bride will find him suggests that whoever the mystery partner is can communicate with him somehow via thought or something so he could tell her where he is, unless he knows indeffinately that they'll come looking for him after getting the location from Hiro first. I think this story will be important to the next season (or season 2 part 2 what ever it is lol)

I have to echo the question "Would Adam not die without oxygen?" Perhaps he is not dependant on oxygen because suffocation causes cells to die, and his power allows him to regenerate those exact cells again... but this rises some more questions... like once he began to suffocate, and his cells began to die, as well as replenish, would this not put him in a constant state of death but still able to regenerate?... like a coma or something?... Like in dodgy horrors when vampires lay dormant for thousands of years until someone cuts themselves whilst looking through their tomb and a drop of blood conveniently lands on him... Anyway... Im babbling.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I specifically predicted Adam being conscious the whole time, because I know that sometimes the writers think plot comes before reality (and that's perfectly fine.)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there is a chance that he'll go into a state of hibernation of sorts. The graphic novel could possibly be just a short time after his burial.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhhh... I don't know if it counts for anything, but on the last page of the GN, Adam says that he's "died more times than he can count already in this coffin." He died and came back to life already several times within the coffin.
What I figure is happening is that he used up all the oxygen, his cells died, regenerated, and he woke up, and is suffocating again. It's a cycle. Suffocate, die, regenerate, wake up, suffocate, die, etc....
The novel takes place while he's suffocating again. After all, it's just his thoughts, we don't know how long it took him to actually think all that (not as long as it took us to read it, likely).

I just think it's lame that he's coming back to life. If his brain cells died, where the seat of his power lies, he shouldn't be able to regenerate. It should be the equivalent of a blast to the head or getting decapitated. Brain doesn't work=power doesn't work. Meh.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing i don't get is that several times when Adam is imprisoned he says if they knew how to kill him, he'd have been dead instead of in a cell. However later in the Volume, suddenly everyone says to shoot Adam and Peter in the head. How do they know that kills him? I mean he almost had his whole body blown to pieces back in Japan. And HRG was shot in the head, Claire had a branch in her brain, Peter had a huge shard of glass in his, and they all live. There's no way to know that a headshot could kill him. Plus, being around 400 years + he must have been shot in the head at least once, after being in so many wars. The writers really need to explain the rules...this is getting confusing...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I'm thinking I need to try and re-watch the stuff about shooting Adam and Peter in the head. (I'll have to find a way to watch them, as I don't have them recorded...unless someone else wants to do all the work for me!) It has been a while, so I just can't remember certain details for sure.

Things I am thinking about here:

- Are they really telling people a way to permanently get rid of a regenerator?
- Does Mama Peltrelli really condone the permadeath of her younger son?
- Why does Adam say "There's no coming back from that one.", referring to the
head-shot from the shotgun?


I know there have been a few inconsistencies from S1 to S2, but Adam's lines about the Company not knowing how to kill him come in the same season as him telling Peter that a Shotgun blast to the head is fatal. Is this just a plot hole/bad writing - or is something else meant by Adam there...?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno. I agree with Obsidian about the quote that Adam's died more times than he can count while being stuck in that coffin. I'd have to say that his healing doesn't take air quality or ambient surroundings into account when it kicks in, it just revivies him. So my guess is that he wakes up to carbon dioxide each time, and suffocates a bit more quickly each time... Unless there's some sort of oxygen that's given off by the body upon death. However, I've not heard of anything like that, so I'd have to assume that he's just using up what little gasses are left un the coffin.

Now, granted, there are gasses that can leach into the coffin from the surrounding earth, so there's a very good chance that some oxygen and other important nitrate gasses would seep into the casket somewhat slowly, and keep the perpetual cycle going.

I just never thought of Hiro as being that sinister or devious. To be honest, torturing someone by keeping them enclosed in a casket to die over and over again through untold ages is just demented. I don't think this punishment for killing Kaito is justifiable. Somewhere along the line, Hiro is going to let this secret slip, and when he does, Adam is going to get free again. And when Adam gets freed, there's going to be hell to pay for Hiro. I mean, now the man's done two things that have really gotten under Adam's skin. The tables are going to be seriously turned.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Hiro's actions were perfectly justifiable. It is eccentially the age old question : life in prison or the death sentence. So here he feels a little bit of both. But you have to see that Adam was a swindler and amoral person to begin with. He is only out to get himself a buck. Hiro lets him realize a man is worth more than his weight in gold. He shows him how to be a hero. Yet, Adam betrays him and Japan, and leaves him for dead in the camp after seeing Hiro and Yaeko together. Yaeko was never in love with Adam, only Hiro.

Secondly Adam killed his father. Eye for an eye...

Thirdly, Adam is really the brains behind the companies motives and seriously bad dudes (Linderman and Maury Parkman). The virus was his second chance at destroying the world as we know it, and Hiro yet again saved the world by putting Adam in the only prison that would keep him away from the world. Sacrificing the "life" of a 400 year old madman to save the lives of millions is more than fair and justifiable.

Finally, Adam is put in his place. His god complex has gotten the best of him at last. He now realizes what it is like to be mortal. Stuffed in a box six feet underground (maybe more in Adam's case).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to disagree about Adam being the "brains" behind the company. After all, it was the company that imprisoned him to begin with, and they've continued with their actions well past the time they incarcerated Adam. In fact, quite a few of their goals seem contrary to Adam's ultimate goal, so I'd say that there's more than one faction at work with the company's goals.

As for Adam and his God complex. I'd agree to a point. After all, this imprisonment that Hiro's given Adam will also reinforce that complex when/if Adam's ever released. Think of it: You live and die countless times, only to finally emerge and visit your wrath and contempt on an unsuspecting world.

I'm still torn about Hiro being Adam's only adversary. After all, in the GN we also met that special who was able to clone himself. We never saw the ending to that conflict. I'd have to say that the ability to make multiple copies of yourself could be quite intimidating as well. After all, if you were to make a younger copy of yourself, you could perpetually reincarnate yourself over the years as well..
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