You cant freeze a 200-foot tidal wave and it magically turns to snow. You'd just have a 200-foot block of ice.
So how did Sylar turn a jet of water into snow flakes in "The Hard Part"? Like I said, he froze the stream of water coming from the nozzle and not the droplets of water falling to the ground. Technically he should have created icicles, not flakes.
It's still different. For the ocean to create snow like you are suggesting, the water would have to start in the air and get frozen to the temperature of snow. Also, a wave isn't like a jet of water. Doing something with a water hose would be a whole lot more managable than stopping a tsunami wave. I think the example you've given with Sylar has some validity but to a point let's not forget it's a TV show and they can pretty much do what they want and make want they want happen. So, TV wise what you are saying might be possible, but logistically speaking I think it would be nearly impossible. I'm not a scientist though, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!
You cant freeze a 200-foot tidal wave and it magically turns to snow. You'd just have a 200-foot block of ice.
So how did Sylar turn a jet of water into snow flakes in "The Hard Part"? Like I said, he froze the stream of water coming from the nozzle and not the droplets of water falling to the ground. Technically he should have created icicles, not flakes.
You're using a fault of the writing on the show as a crutch for your entire theory.
Water shooting out of a hose like that looses pressure about two inches out of the stream and becomes large drops of water. Scientifically, the show took liberties with this and made snow come out of the hose when, scientifically speaking, its not exactly correct.
But again, youre using that as a crutch to support your faulty argument.
Personally, I just think that if someone from the Original 12 had cryokinesis, then he/she would surely have enough control (and experience) to do what they please within the limits of that ability, and turning water to snow is within those limits, IMO. Cryokinesis is (as defined by Wikipedia), the "Ability to reduce the kinetic energy of atoms and thus reduce temperature, can be used to control, generate, or absorb ice." A cryokinetic could surely reduce the kinetic energy of each water molecule in order to make each one a snowflake, rather than a sheet of ice for all molecules combined. Remember, snow only occurs within a certain range of temperature, so a cryokinetic could reduce the temperature of water to that range so that "snow" can be formed. Only sheer ice occurs at extremely low temperatures.
It's the same as relating telepathy to Maury. Many of us thought that Maury did not possess telepathy, until Bob confirmed it for us. He developed his ability to do much more than just reading minds. Why can't a cryokinetic, who's possessed the ability for years, do much more than just turn things to solid ice?
Regardless of whether or not it was poor writing in "The Hard Part," the writers could easily make believable the fact that an experienced cryokinetic turned a tidal wave into snow flakes.
I got a feeling they'll never explain this or show who had the powers. That its just an example Bob was showing off to Nathan. not that it matters we've discussed more tiny matters before, but it does seem that theyre trying to throw as much symbolism and minor incidents in as possible which means they get caught out at times.
It's still different. For the ocean to create snow like you are suggesting, the water would have to start in the air and get frozen to the temperature of snow. Also, a wave isn't like a jet of water. Doing something with a water hose would be a whole lot more managable than stopping a tsunami wave. I think the example you've given with Sylar has some validity but to a point let's not forget it's a TV show and they can pretty much do what they want and make want they want happen. So, TV wise what you are saying might be possible, but logistically speaking I think it would be nearly impossible. I'm not a scientist though, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!
To quote Yoda: "No different. Only different in your mind."
When you start dealing with the mental manipulation of physical substances, especially in a fantastical piece of fiction like Heroes, the only real limitations to one's abilities are perceptual. If you believe it, you can do it.
Sylar was able to create the snowflakes because he quickly sees "how that works". It has been shown several times that Sylar takes an ability, and within a few minutes/hours/days (depending on the power) he often developsa far greater control over the ability than the original user. (Generally speaking of course.)
So Sylar was able to take the Cryokinesis to its extreme, controlling not only how cold the water got, but exactly how it crystalised as it got colder - i.e. becoming light and fluffy snowflakes for mommy, rather than harsh freezing rain or painfully sharp icicles.
It stands to reason then, that if a member of the 12 had CK, then s/he would have probably developed it beyond the simple ability to create ice or make a warm beverage cold.
So just because it is scientifically unlikely/impossible for a tsunami wave to hit a cold patch and turn into a white Christmas, it is certain possible/plausbile for such an event to be a result of mental interference with said deadly wall of H20.
Very well said, Ambience!! And I think the most important point in your stance is this:
Ambience wrote:
So just because it is scientifically unlikely/impossible for a tsunami wave to hit a cold patch and turn into a white Christmas,
A lot of things are done and said in the show that are scientifically untrue and/or impossible. Remember when Mohinder said that humans only use 10% of their total brain power? Well that's proven to be a myth, and Ambience reminds us that the scientifically impossible becomes a possibility in the show.
While it doesn't seem physically possible to turn a tidal wave into snowflakes,
we must remember that it's also not physically possible to shoot ice from one's own hands
Agreed! I even said in another post that this was likely the case. The writers can pretty much write whatever they want and not have to explain it or be limited by the laws of science and what not. Makes the show a little lame in my opinion if they start using this too much. Until we find out more, which we probably won't I guess we'll just have to make theories about what happened.
Ambience reminds us that the scientifically impossible becomes a possibility in the show.
Tis true
With the theory it would have to take more than CK, freeze a glass of water, it becomes ice not snow (powdered ice-technically the same thing) but if someone else throws it in the air/manipulates the giant tidal wave/ burns it whatever, then it gets frozen. saying it like that, not scientifically possible, Heroesable!!!
What if the liquid man's ability was to not turn into liquid but to control liquids. Maybe our unknown empath from the past had absorbed that ability along with cryo and used both to control the tsunami.
What if the liquid man's ability was to not turn into liquid but to control liquids. Maybe our unknown empath from the past had absorbed that ability along with cryo and used both to control the tsunami.
Excellent theory, Cuz!
The only thing I have against it is that I believe one person caused the wave in hopes of killing people on the southeast coast, and another person turned that wave to snow. I don't believe that the wave and the snow were both the result of one person's powers. I see it as an evil vs. good situation.
I DO love the idea of a hydrokinetic (is that the proper term?) causing the tsunami though Kudos!!
that would actually be cool to see. they bagged and tagged the liquid man so he probably was against all of the company. he may have caused it and whoever could have frozen it. that would be tite to see at least in a gn.
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