They should probably provide a reason for why she didn't look different after getting KO'd though.
I was thinking that once Candice bends reality she has to rebend it in order to effect change. Meaning, she would have to conciously decide to revert back to her normal self. Just because she is KOed doesnt mean she automatically revertsback.
JMO.
Caitlin in Beverly Hills: Okay, please, please tell us straight, who is it that won't return to Heroes? I'm going crazy worrying that it might be Adrian.
It'll be Adrian Pasdar when pigs are flying through the sky with Nathan Petrelli
From what I read she means he is coming back, right?
Caitlin in Beverly Hills: Okay, please, please tell us straight, who is it that won't return to Heroes? I'm going crazy worrying that it might be Adrian.
It'll be Adrian Pasdar when pigs are flying through the sky with Nathan Petrelli
From what I read she means he is coming back, right?
Hmmm... that would seem like the case... great find, Lyn!
Edit: HERE'S the link from which Lyn obtained the quotation. Just copy and paste the Nathan Petrelli section into Freetranslation.com and translate it from French to English. Or, if you can read French, then you obviously don't need to, lol.
I would definitely love to see that Nathan survived saving both a large portion of NYC and his baby brother; I would not like to see Adrian Pasdar step into the role of his and Pete's father, though. I know this seems to please many of you, but he's just too entrenched (in my mind, at least) as Nathan Petrelli. Bringing him back to play his father would be cheesy, to me.
As for Missy Peregrym leaving the show, it doesn't matter. Candice will go on, in one form or another (especially if that's her in the newest GN).
I don't understand the whole "Noah and Claire go to California" thing. Why? I mean, Noah's been a "secret agent"-type for years; he can't exactly put that job on his resume, now, can he? What kind of job would a "Hero Hunter" be qualified to do, exactly? I say that, though Linderman is gone, Noah will continue the same work he's been doing, though perhaps not in the same manner. More like he was doing in "Five Years Gone". Again: Why California? Perhaps there was another Primatech-type "cell" there that he'll put himself in charge of?
HRG probably knows how to falsify any kind of background for himself that he wants.
I'm not sure how I feel about Adrian Pasdar coming back as Nathan. I liked him in the role, and the character is great, but I don't know how Nathan can be brought back without it seeming - well - cheesy. Nathan offered the ultimate sacrifice, and his survival would take a lot of the emotional punch out of the season 1 finale. I don't know quite what it would take to make it work for me. My reaction is not as strong to Nathan coming back as to the possibility of Sylar becoming good, but in Sylar's case I have an idea what would make it believable for me (a lot of character development through the season).
I'm waiting to see whether Season 2 will really be global or whether the parts in other countries will be small and most of the action will be in New York City, again.
Candice is nasty, and I've enjoyed it ever since she told Isaac, "Maybe you should have thought of that before you shot her. Twice." Maybe Missy Peregrym will guest star occasionally. I don't think we're meant to think Niki killed Candice.
Rob M wrote:
As yet another example - bet Angela will be heading off to France to meet with the overseas elements of the Linderman group -- the real purpose for taking Claire to Paris (not just the shopping).
As I've written before, Angela has plans for Claire in Paris. I think she wanted to bring Claire there for a reason besides getting her out of town during the election, and not just because it's a place rich people go on vacation. I suspect there's a person/organization there she wants to get Claire in with and a task/role (not necessarily in Paris) that she wants Claire to perform/fulfill. I don't know how that will square with Claire and HRG moving to California, but it's a long season. If Nathan survives, Angela will kill him - figuratively speaking. Probably.
Alucard wrote:
it could explain the surrogate mother for Micah, the mom is off somewhere coping with her husband's death or some other crazy thing!
Micah has a grandmother who might be able to help take care of him, but she and Niki didn't get along, and the grandmother might live too far away. So the new actress might be for the grandmother - anyone remember who played the grandmother way back in episode 1 or 2? Was she the same as the new regular?
Rob M wrote:
For example, my guess is that Thompson likely bumped off Mrs. Bennett and Lyle --
I assumed Mrs. Bennet must be dead when Candice pretended to be her - the Company would have known that Mrs. Bennet knew about the Company. But HRG didn't show any reaction to indicate that, so I'm not sure.
Rob M wrote:
I'd bet that when a child one of of the powered folk manifests, the Company would take them, wipe their minds (using Haitian), and train them to be the Company's agents. That would have been Claire's fate -- if Noah had turned her in as ordered.
The Haitian at one point told Claire, "Even you would not survive what they would do to you." It put me in mind of the vivisections Claude referred to.
Hercules67 wrote:
Why do they so badly want to have a GAY character in the show? They tried that last year with ZACH and of course, the actor did not want to play a gay character, so they had to find a way to get rid of him.
The actor had played a gay character before, and he didn't want to be typecast. I don't think they had to find a way to get rid of him - I think he wasn't planned to be on the show for very long, and he had another opportunity coming up to be a lead in a TV series.
It shouldn't have to be a political statement for a character to be gay. They didn't make a big deal of it on the show.
Nathan offered the ultimate sacrifice, and his survival would take a lot of the emotional punch out of the season 1 finale.
I'm waiting to see whether Season 2 will really be global or whether the parts in other countries will be small and most of the action will be in New York City, again.
I'm totally with you, Pay. That reason alone is why I hope Adrian Pasdar does not come back as Nathan.
If they can make him drastically different in his physical features, then I can somewhat deal with him playing Papa Petrelli.
Payquage wrote:
I don't think we're meant to think Niki killed Candice.
Again, I completely agree. It was a punch to the face - hardly a severe enough finisher to remove a somewhat important character from the series.
Payquage wrote:
As I've written before, Angela has plans for Claire in Paris. I think she wanted to bring Claire there for a reason besides getting her out of town during the election, and not just because it's a place rich people go on vacation. I suspect there's a person/organization there she wants to get Claire in with and a task/role (not necessarily in Paris) that she wants Claire to perform/fulfill.
You're on the money today, Pay. I love that idea - after all, Angela's proven herself to be more deceiving than we could have ever imagined.
Rob M wrote:
For example, my guess is that Thompson likely bumped off Mrs. Bennett and Lyle --
Payquage wrote:
I assumed Mrs. Bennet must be dead when Candice pretended to be her - the Company would have known that Mrs. Bennet knew about the Company. But HRG didn't show any reaction to indicate that, so I'm not sure.
I was thinking that at first, Rob, but wait a second... when HRG, Matt, and Ted were at the car dealership (in Missouri, I think?), didn't HRG say something like, "You think I don't want to talk to my wife? Contacting our families would put their safety at risk" (or something like that) when he reprimanded Matt for using the pay phone. If so, then that would hint that he knows she's still alive. ...Or maybe I'm making that dialogue up for some reason - can anyone confirm?
I remember that too - HRG telling Matt he'd like to talk to his wife. I've been waiting for some explanation about what happened to her, but after this long, I doubt we'll get much.
The only thing, is that so far, the surrogate mother for micah is supposed to be in her late 20's, so I don't see his grandmother filling that role, say, even 20 years ago. I know everyone says this "it takes away from nathan's sacrifice if he comes back?" Why though? This guy had to go against everything he worked for, and believed at the time, and still came back to do good. Sacrificed everything so the world could be saved. And, you would be pist if he survived? I for one, would love to see that whole scenario played out. Characters untrustworthy of Nathan, or him coming back with Amnesia, there's SO much that could be done with that, and couple that with whatever may be going on with peter and you've got yourself a great story by itself, and there's would be SO much more going on around it. I'm basically already waiting to see where, how, and why Nathan is alive, because it's already been confirmed that the Petrelli bros. story isn't over. Yeah, i guess you could say his sacrifice was a lil more meaningful if he actually died.....but isn't it still meaningful if you go into it expecting to die, and for some reason you live but have to cope with the mistakes you've made?
I don't think Nathan surviving carrying a soon-to-explode Peter up into the atmosphere is gonna happen without some serious explaining. I mean, Nathan would not be impervious to Ted's power like Peter or Ted would. The only chance he would have would be to carry Peter WAY up, then let him go and haul ass to safety. This would be after what was surely an immense dose of radiation from Peter as he carried him up. So, in this hypothetical, he carries him up, lets him go, hauls ass far enough away not to be blown to smithereens, waits for Pete to explode while in freefall, then hauls ass back to catch him and bring him back down. That just seems like too much, to me. Nathan's GOT to be dead. Also, Peter probably fell back to Earth, over water if he's lucky (would that be lucky?). To many if's, too many maybe's.
If they do try to bring Adrian Pasdar back to play Papa Petrelli, they're gonna have to work hard not to make it cheesy. I'm talking some SERIOUS make-up chair time for Mr. Pasdar.
Hi all - very interesting activity in this thread over past few days. Too many to cover in one post. Thanks to all for the interesting thoughts.
I'll focus on the status of Mrs. Bennett and Lyle. Remember that the last time we saw her, Mrs. Bennett must have been in harm's way. She and Noah were living in the hotel room, she helped him get his memory back, and then they pulled the old Candice switcheroo to throw him in the Primatech pokey. That raises the obvious question - where is Mrs. Bennett and Lyle? Two possibilities - in custody (or worse) with Primatech somewhere, thereby allowing the Candice approach; or they just happened not to be around when Thompson and Candice did their trick. If the former, the Bennetts are either dead or still in custody - as they would know too much about the organization to released to the general public. If the latter, Mrs. Bennett and Lyle might have been on their own for some time but they would be unaware of Noah being caught and no doubt would ended up doing harm to Primatech's interests if allowed to pursue the missing Noah in the usual way (i.e., through a police APB or some such). Thus, it is likely that they would have returned to the hotel room and back into Primatech custody.
This leaves the ultimate question - while they definitely are in Primatech control, are they in custody or dead as of the end of Vol. 1. As I think about it, there is a good chance of the former as Primatech would want to keep leverage over Noah that they could use once they figured out his location. That's probably why he made no attempt to contact tor save his wife and son - he knew he wouldn't find them and the effort would just lead Primatech use to use his wife and son to blackmail him, probably to Claire's harm. The quote about Matt's call to his wife was partly true and partly for effect - Noah in fact likely didn't know where his wife and son were; but even if he did, he couldn't have called them without endangering them more than they were already.
It will be interesting to see what happens now that virtually all of Primatech's officials are gone. Will whoever is running Primatech let the two of them out? Or keep them as leverage in case Noah was ever found? Probably the latter. I can't envision them just being freed and, if so, I can't imagine Noah letting them find him, out of fear that Primatech will have them tracked or followed somehow. The interesting issue is, once he gets situated, will he develop a "plan" to save the non-Claire parts of his family.
Another minor point I wanted to pick up on. IMO, Noah is definitely in hiding rather than taking over a Calif Primatech/Linderman cell. After what he's done to the Company and what he knows, he could never assume that they'd welcome him back in. (One side thought, though -- if Hiro's dad ultimately manages to take control back over the whole Linderman/Primatech/Organization without initials group during Vol. 2 or 3 upcoming, I would not be surprised to see Noah be appointed the head of the organization, under Hiro's dad, returning the organization to its pre-Linderman beneficial purposes -- whatever those were.)
We'll no doubt find out why he elected to hide in some town in California. I first thought there might be family on the Mrs. Bennett side but that would be too obvious to the Company and they would get captured. Perhaps there are some specials in the area that Noah trusts -- but given his past actions in the Company, such as with Claude, hard to see why anyone would trust him even if he could trust them. (Another side thought - only specials he appears to trust are the Haitian (but might not be trusting him as much given events at end of Vol. 1); Hana (who is either dead or turned into some type of disembodied presence in a computer per the GN); or Matt. So...he might have wanted to find a place close to LA so he could keep in touch with Matt.) Perhaps the scenario will be as simple as it's a town with a good job market where he was able to finds some type of low key manager or sales job that earns enough money for him and Claire to live.
One key hint that they are in hiding - as seen from early spoiler photos on Vol. 2, Noah's ditched the horn rimmed glasses that made him recognizable to others.
I think one of the real downers for me about the casting rumors this time around is the new cheerleaders. Why have more cheerleaders in the series? Sure, the first season it was fine, because thats who Claire's character was involved with, but you're telling me that Noah Bennet is taking his daughter to California so that she can get back into High School, and become a cheerleader again? Isn't the whole teen-boy-fantasy done with yet?
Anyway, I think I'll stop there for now. I'll pick up my soapbox at a later date.. [/rant]
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