Nice thought! However, we've seen cockroaches in non-evolving situations-
1) On the floor of Chandra Suresh's apartment when Mohinder was moving in
2) On the floor of Sylar's cell at Primatech when he is lying on the ground
3) On the floor of Matt's cell at Primatech when he awakens
4) At Kirby Plaza when Sylar disappears
Nice thought! However, we've seen cockroaches in non-evolving situations-
1) On the floor of Chandra Suresh's apartment when Mohinder was moving in
2) On the floor of Sylar's cell at Primatech when he is lying on the ground
3) On the floor of Matt's cell at Primatech when he awakens
4) At Kirby Plaza when Sylar disappears
Hmm...
Thanks PK. Sylar learned to "play dead" at Primatech, Matt's mental powers were expanded at the same location. He was a long way away from his mental source, there. Plus we know that in later episodes, his powers increase. Sylar doesn't die in Kirby Plaza after being run through with a ninja sword.(and we all know how powerful ninjas are ). Maybe Suresh's was his final acceptance of his fathers work. Yeah, that one is the weakest.
However, I still have an issue with one of those scenarios (I actually like the Mohinder explanation better than the Matt one). I don't think Matt's power developed while in the cell in the prison. In fact, I don't think it was Matt's doing at all as to how he heard HRG's thoughts. I think HRG knew exactly how to reach Matt - we must remember that HRG was the "go to" guy in regards to powers during Season 1. He knew about how abilities worked more so than the majority of characters, even those WITH abilities. Matt didn't seek HRG out... HRG sought Matt out.
Thus, I think the Matt scenario is the only one where the cockroach is out of place...
Actually, if you go a couple of pages back, you'll find out that most of the speculation is about Sylar. I think most people believe that the main cause of the "Roaches" is Sylar. But how do you account for them in Matt's room?
The thing is, in the summer we had this spoiler about Kane (being Kensei) who could control insects. That would have made perfect sense, as the person behind the cockroaches, don't you think?
"Kyle has a question about the creepy-crawly things that occasionally show up in "Heroes." "There were a lot of rumors that the cockroaches were related to an as yet-unseen new villain. Could this still play out, or are they really more symbolic representations of evolutionary survival?"
Sometimes symbolic representations of evolutionary survival is just symbolic representations of evolutionary survival. Although, you'll have to remind us one day to tell you the original pitch for the character of Nathan…. "
But... what the heck was the original pitch for Nathan?!
My guess, he probaly was a huge slimeball of a character and definitly the bad one of the two brothers.
Now they just go back in forth and the exact meaning of being good or evil is only defined in the present act they are commiting. Perhaps they are acting on instinct or they do not have full understanding of the situation they are in, causing them to make bad judgement calls that they will later deeply regret.
(this only goes for a group of the characters, some like Sylar are just pure evil and I love it!)
I don't think Sylar is pure evil, just a bit...psychotic. He believes that to be special he must acquire as many powers as he can, while exterminating the original possessors at the same time so that he is the only one who can use them. He'll got to any means to do so, but I think evil is going a bit far, he's just highly delusional. If he was evil, he'd kill everyone he came across, instead he plans out his moves and singles out people with powers, only killing others if necessary. As we've seen, he can be quite civil at times. He's a man on a mission, it's just that his mission isn't entirely sane.
Holding him in court would just get everyone killed. I don't believe he is dillisuional, he understands how everything is working. He knows what he's doing is evil but it must be done for the sake of him obtaining power. For him, the risk is wayyy smaller then his reward.
When have we actually seen him act civil besides him being at his mothers?Even that didn't turn out well for him.
It all depends on your personal definition of evil. Mine is "harming others for selfish purposes", so Sylar is indeed evil in my book, or at least his actions are. Selfishness is evil. Selflessness is good. That's the simplest definition, at least for me. But this is all very subjective...
You make a good point there guys (I didn't mean the court thing literally Murph ).
As for times when he acts civil, here's some off the top of my head:
His mother's place
With Maya and Ajejandro
When he starts stealing powers
At Kirby plaza in the finale
With Mrs Bennet (at least for a little while)
He understands how everything works, but he also has a distorted view of reality. Basically, I'd put it down to him having murderous tendencies. At times he will act normally, but at other times he will suddenly change into his murderous self (as we see in the scene with Candice in Season 2, he suddenly snaps). It's almost like he has two personalities really, the weaker, more civil Gabriel Gray, and the murderous Sylar who wants power.
Of course he knows what he is doing is bad, but with his distorted view of reality and his Sylar personality, this becomes unimportant to him since he disconnects the idea of murder and the idea of gaining power in his mind. He basically just acts on instinct when he's feeling murderous, and he has a good opportunity.
So he does do what most people would label as evil things, but as I've said, I wouldn't call him as a person evil, just a misguided soul who for all his understanding has an incurable lust for power.
ledlevee: Your definition of evil is a bit loose, by your definition, if I kicked someone because it would make me feel better, I would be an evil person.
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You make a good point there guys (I didn't mean the court thing literally Murph ).
As for times when he acts civil, here's some off the top of my head:
His mother's place
With Maya and Ajejandro
When he starts stealing powers
At Kirby plaza in the finale
With Mrs Bennet (at least for a little while)
Oh I know, I just have this image in my mind of Sylar holding everyone in the room up at that some time and simultaneously all choking them.
1. His mother's place was the only "normal" viewing I think we had. That ended in an accidental death and then using his mother's blood to paint with. Not all that good to me. If I had to pick good or evil, def. evil.
2. Maya and Alejandro is just an act. or is mostly. He wants thier powers, and since he's powerless, he's just using the best cards he's got in his arsenal. Deception, lies, intelligence. He's just setting up another evil act.
3. Kirby plaza hmm. do you mean when he was merciful after getting his butt handed to him by Niki/Hiro/Peter? I like at that as evil being that he know Peter was going to explode, killing .07% of the human population and thereby triggering the events for Sylar to become president.
4. He slammed the woman into piece of furniture. Not all that nice to me.
I do see what you are saying as when he's been decent around people, but I just see it as him setting up another way to perform some type of evil act. If his character has revelation and turns good, now that'd be a huge twist in this series!
I sort of see the civilness as an act. He's trying to make people think he's okay so they don't suspect when he kills them later. His "civilness" is just the wolf in sheep's clothing routine. At least that's how it seems to me. Now if he later proves me wrong and sacrifices himself for the greater good aka Nathan, maybe I'll think he's a decent guy after all, but right now I just don't see that happening, at least not in a believable way. They'd have to do lot's more character development to get him to that point.
1. His mother's place was the only "normal" viewing I think we had. That ended in an accidental death and then using his mother's blood to paint with. Not all that good to me. If I had to pick good or evil, def. evil.
2. Maya and Alejandro is just an act. or is mostly. He wants thier powers, and since he's powerless, he's just using the best cards he's got in his arsenal. Deception, lies, intelligence. He's just setting up another evil act.
3. Kirby plaza hmm. do you mean when he was merciful after getting his butt handed to him by Niki/Hiro/Peter? I like at that as evil being that he know Peter was going to explode, killing .07% of the human population and thereby triggering the events for Sylar to become president.
4. He slammed the woman into piece of furniture. Not all that nice to me.
I do see what you are saying as when he's been decent around people, but I just see it as him setting up another way to perform some type of evil act. If his character has revelation and turns good, now that'd be a huge twist in this series!
Ok, I know his mother's place ended badly, but it obviously wasn't his intention for things to turn out that way, I put that one down to an accident really.
As for 2. You could say that, but at the same time, he didn't know that they had powers to begin with, yet he was acting perfectly civil towards them. Now that he knows, well yes, it's more of an act now, but he's not a mindless killer either since he hasn't attacked them (at least not yet)
For 3. I mean the way he talks quite sensibly to Peter, saying that he is actually the hero, and that he knows what is going on.
For 4. That's why I said (at least for a little while). I know he ends up attacking her, but it is an example of when he was acting perfectly normal.
It certainly would be a big twist if he suddenly changed, but there's no way it would happen. As I've said, his state of mind isn't exactly stable. The thing with Sylar is that he isn't always planning some kind of attack wen he acts civil (Maya and Alejandro is actually a good example until he discovers their powers).
). Maybe Suresh's was his final acceptance of his fathers work. Yeah, that one is the weakest.
