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deftonesdea

ok, i've been doing alot of thinking...theres been much debate (in my head) about the peter vs sylar battle in 5yg, who'd win, both can heal, peter an mimic sylar's abilities etc

theres one thing i just realized....sylar can take abilities of dead people (can peter?! i DOUBT IT!)

that makes sylar realllllly powerful (even though peter can just copy it after sylar takes it) and yep...i've said many many times, sylar would have to go in, and chop future hiro's head off (to gain his ability to bend time and space) but...theres one HUGGGGEE thing i overlooked

the haitian. sylar could have matt distract peter (he's still around right?) or..simply get away from peter somehow....take the haitian's ability (he's dead) ....then, even though peter would then gain that ability, sylar could/would use it before peter even knew wtf was going on....now...we KNOW (for 100% fact) that sylar can use TWO or more abilities at once...powerless peter....and an unstoppable sylar the winner

*bows* j/p ha....any thoughts? popkorn! i'm looking at you!

Ambience 327 · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:43 am Post subject:

Good thoughts, with one possible problem:

We don't know how the haitian's power would affect Sylar's other abilities. It is entirely possible that Sylar using the haitin's ability would dampen not only Peter's powers, but also the rest of Sylar's - i.e. while that power was active, he'd also be effectively powerless.

By the same token, it could be possible that due to the way Sylar acquires powers (we don't completely understand how that works yet), that simply trying to use the haitian's ability would prevent him from using the haitian's ability - a sort of self-cancelling loop. Basically, if his ability to acquire powers and use them has something to do with his own power of "Intuitive Aptitude", it is entirely possible that by activating the haitian's dampening power, he would cut off the I.A., which would prevent him from actually using the dampening power.

I think my brain hurts now. Very Happy

deftonesdea · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject:

nahhh, i'm like 90% positive theres no negation of sylar's other powers had he used the haitian's ability.

the reason i say this is

a- we've only seen like one instance of someone's power hurting themselves (and that was a graphic novel) and

b- sylar has ALWAYS shown the ability to gain GREAT control of the powers he aquires...almost instantly. (now..seeing as how this is 5yg, his ability to do that would have gotten way better)

allz i know is...the more i think about it, the more i like it =]

Ambience 327 · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject:

But the thing is, we've seen very little about how powers interact with each other. The only real examples we have are how Peter and Sylar can use multiple powers - and they don't seem to mix them very often.

We really don't know how the haitian's power(s) work. (Remember, he can prevent people from using their abilities, and he can erase memories - these may either be two sides of the same coin, or two separate abilities - we really don't know.) It might be possible that the very nature of how it works, that no other ability could work in its vicinity. (We've seen examples of people being able to use their powers when he's around - i.e. Nathan - so we know he doesn't just exude an aura that prevents all powers from working near him - but we don't know if he can target someone specifically, or just turn an aura on and off at will.)

So, it is possible that the haitian's power would prevent Sylar from using any of his other powers, simply because that's how it works. It is also possible that Sylar would be free to be one bad mama-jama as the only one whose powers would work - we just don't have enough information to give a definitive answer on this subject.

deftonesdea · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject:

well..a few things first

a- sylar is the only one we've seen use more than one power at the same time, IE candice's illusion+nathan's flying, he phases peter out of a room while still nathan, he can move snow globes with TK+freeze water...theres prolly more but...

b- the haitian DOES have an auro, in the graphic novels he gets too close to his dad, and his vicinity causes the father to not use his power...even if u dont think thats a good example, in 5yg, matt parkman specifically says "NO! we cant go downstairs! up here, they're powerless!" (he even says it in a phrase that means 'this floor= no powers with the haitian active') i dont think haitian has to necessary focus his power to have ppl nullified

as far as why nathan could fly, i think its cuz noah bennet or maybe even himself didnt want to 'trap' nathan...it seemed much more like he let nathan fly away

what drives my theory is the MAIN points (that sylar CAN take an ability from someone that is dead) and...that upon getting the haitian's ability, he could use it before peter can copy it+use it, its like sylar just needs to "shoot the gun" whereas peter must "load the bullets" "learn how to fire" then "shoot" (this is a powers analogy btw) granted...this all happens SUPER fast but..sylar would no doubt do it faster...besides, the haitian worked for him kinda....and he KNOWS what the haitian can do

sylar from the future wins in my mind...no doubt

Ambience 327 · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject:

I didn't say it wasn't an aura - I said it wasn't just that he exuded an aura - i.e. something that is always on and unable to be turned off and/or focused. It is possible for someone to be in the same room with the haitian and still use their powers - but he has to let them.

The question is - can he let just certain people, or does he have to turn it off for everyone? If he can't target people individually, can he alter the range of effect, or is there a certain area and just an on/off state?

That's what I'm getting at here - we don't know the exact details of how it is controlled - yes his power (when he didn't know how to control it) botched up his dad's power - but we know now that in some instances he seems to have some selective control over his dampening field. What we don't know is to what extent that control can be tuned.

popkorn615 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:09 am Post subject:

Great theory, Def!

My first question, though, is this: Can Sylar REALLY take abilities from dead people? In all of the instances we've seen Sylar claim a power, he's never killed the person first (from what we know). He's just simply cut their head open. I might need Obsidian's help on this one though - I think that cutting a head open would of course hurt like hell, but I don't think it would immediately kill someone (as fast as a bullet through the brain or heart would). It would take time for the blood loss to kick in, but I venture to say that upon removing a brain, or doing whatever Sylar needs to do to it, that the person is still alive - in shock, but alive nonetheless. I also think that when Sylar bashed Candice with the mug, it merely gave her a bad concussion, at which point Sylar helped himself to her brains.

So, personally, I don't think there is any evidence that Sylar can claim abilities from a dead person, IMO.

I think that Sylar (with Haitian's ability) vs. Peter (with Haitian's ability) is the luck of the draw - it all depends on who uses The Haitian's ability first. We know that Peter most likely already has The Haitian's power (which he acquired in "Unexpected" while on the rooftop with Claude, HRG and The Haitian). The only thing Peter needs to freakin realize is that he has it, and it's the writers fault from the get go. When Peter found out that The Haitian could nullify powers (which occurred in "Four Months Ago," he should have realized that he acquired the ability back on the Deveaux Rooftop. Maybe Peter couldn't put one and one together and realize that the Haitian guy in Bob's office was the same Haitian guy on the Deveaux roof with him, but there's only so long that the writers can ignore the fact that Peter has already absorbed nullification/mindwipe.

But again, it all comes down to who uses The Haitian's power first. If Peter never realizes that he has The Haitian's ability, then there's no hope for him if Sylar absorbs The Haitian's power and can use his other abilities as well.

Ambience, I love your thought not only about the whole power cancelling loop, but that fact that Sylar might not be able to use his own powers while using nullification.

However, one things for certain though - The Haitian CAN focus his power on certain people. To answer your question:

pjamese3 · Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject:

wolves_arsenal · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject:

u just had a quick thought about the devoux roof thing.......peter used powers whilst arround the hatian, firstly tk then he flew. could peters primal instinct be more powerfull than the hatians concious efforts to nullify peoples abilities or was the haitian just too far from peter

popkorn615 · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:01 am Post subject:

Jormengrund · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject:

Meh.

I don't really like being a damper, but here's something to think about...

Sylar is powerful, yes.

Peter is also powerful.

However, according to what Claude alluded to, there's only one real "Maximum Potential" out there. Claude thought it was Peter.

If this is the case, then Sylar (imo) is the stage just before Peter's ability.

Powerful, yes. Deadly? Definitely.

But he's still not going to be able to take Peter on in a stand-up fight when/if Peter is able to get better command of his ability.

Now, will Peter ever get that far?

We'll have to see!

wolves_arsenal · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:

yeah thats nice thought PK but remember in season 2 also peter was able to reverse what the hatian did to his mind........and as we allready know from the hatian speaking once the memory is gone its supposed to stay gone

Jormengrund if you look at the assignment tracker 2.0 it states that sylar has roughly 75% controll of his abilities where as id presume p.peter has about 10-25% and peter is still definately if not a match slightly more powerfull that sylar, if peter ever reaches 60+% controll of his ability he will be stronger than sylar

i do agree that peter is the max potential........but i dont think that sylar is MEANT to be a close second with the ability that he has......because he should only really have an understanding of how things work =, however he has learned to understand his own ability and took an interest in the brain and read books about it thus learning how the brain works aswell making him able to "learn" others abilities.

i like the idea of number 2 trying to kill number 1 tho lol

popkorn615 · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject:

wolves_arsenal · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject:

lol yeah thats pretty much what i meant but i worded it wrongly and VERY badly lol