Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: Charles Deveaux's Ability
I don't think a thread has been specifically devoted to this topic yet, or if this theory of mine has been mentioned, but let me know and I will merge.
Charles Deveaux says to Peter:
"Your heart has the ability to love unconditionally. In the end all that really matters is love."
If he truly understands this concept of "love," then what if
Charles Deveaux = our 2nd empath
It could explain how he sees "Future" Peter while he's invisible (the reason I say 'future' is because that's actually Past Charles Deveaux that we see). Charles just saw his own Present Peter in nurse scrubs go inside the apartment with Simone, and as a smart man himself, he must recognize "Future" Peter when he sees him.
If Charles isn't an empath, then he might have the oracle-like ability I mentioned as a possibility a few months ago. After all, Past Charles and Present Peter are discussing things at a normal tone of voice. At the end of their conversation, Charles calls for Past Peter to bring him into the apartment, but the volume of his voice didn't really change - so why couldn't Past Peter hear the conversation between Charles and Present Peter?????? Perhaps Charles does/did have an oracle/guide ability in which he can control what goes on his own little universe as well. He didn't want Past Peter to hear their conversation, so as a result, he can't hear it.
Didn't Charles make a comment about how invisibility would be nice and earlier past peter looked right at present peter and didn't see him so I assumed that peter was just invisible. What I didn't understand was if he was using the power of invisibilty then it would have to be something other than a normal dream and notice how charles didn't say that he had brought him there only that all that mattered was he was there. Because he needed to hear that conversation. Isn't that how the little boy who entered Mohinder's dreams (sorry I can't think of his name) said his power worked? That people came to him when they needed answers? Is it not possible that it was him who brought Peter there.
Hmmm... actually - your first line right there, Hutto, may strengthen the theory that he is an empath. If he was stuck with one ability, then why would he be concerned about what power would be a "good one to have." The exact line is this:
"Invisibility... ...always thought that that'd be a good one to have."
However, that quotation seems to signify that Charles never knew about Claude. But wasn't Claude part of the company too, just like Charles? Hmmm... maybe the bigger players, such as Kaito, Charles, and Angela, never came into contact with the "middle-men" such as Thompson and HRG. However, we know that Haitian was hiding Claire, so Angela must have been working with him. And judging by Claude's convo with HRG in "Company Man," then perhaps he was indeed hiding Claire, which means that he must have been in contact with Angela as well.
Bah, now I'm just confusing myself.
I'm sticking to either oracle/guide ability (like Sanjog, but more powerful), or empath #2. Or how about this - maybe Charles Deveaux is the one who possessed "omnipresence," which could also explain why he could see/sense Peter there.
I thought he said "My ability...always thought that'd be a good one to have." Not "invisibility"...I'll have to rewatch it when I get home and let ya know:)
I thought he was saying that it would be good for Peter to have his ability, that's why he hired Peter as his nurse, which gave him the prophetic dreams.
I thought he said "My ability...always thought that'd be a good one to have." Not "invisibility"...I'll have to rewatch it when I get home and let ya know:)
I thought he was saying that it would be good for Peter to have his ability, that's why he hired Peter as his nurse, which gave him the prophetic dreams.
Heh... just rewatched the scene - it was "invisibility."
Peter, however, had precog dream in "Six Months Ago", before he ever met/started taking care of Charles. He had the dream of Nathan and Heidi getting into their car accident. That fact, coupled with
the spoiler we were given about Angela seals the deal for me in thinking that she is the dreaming precog.
Hmmm... actually - your first line right there, Hutto, may strengthen the theory that he is an empath. If he was stuck with one ability, then why would he be concerned about what power would be a "good one to have." The exact line is this:
"Invisibility... ...always thought that that'd be a good one to have."
However, that quotation seems to signify that Charles never knew about Claude. But wasn't Claude part of the company too, just like Charles? Hmmm... maybe the bigger players, such as Kaito, Charles, and Angela, never came into contact with the "middle-men" such as Thompson and HRG. However, we know that Haitian was hiding Claire, so Angela must have been working with him. And judging by Claude's convo with HRG in "Company Man," then perhaps he was indeed hiding Claire, which means that he must have been in contact with Angela as well.
Bah, now I'm just confusing myself.
I'm sticking to either oracle/guide ability (like Sanjog, but more powerful), or empath #2. Or how about this - maybe Charles Deveaux is the one who possessed "omnipresence," which could also explain why he could see/sense Peter there.
I think either is plausible but lean toward omnipresence myself. Mainly because Claude was living, or at least spent a lot of time, atop Deveaux's building so as an empath he would have had the ability himself I would think (even an inexperienced Peter discovered some powers like TK without knowing he had them).
I actually took his statement on invisibility as being one made based on his experience in the Company, having seen so many abilities, and commenting that he thought it would be "neat", to paraphrase. It was made in a very casual and unsurprised tone.
I think Claude was aligned with Deveaux and perhaps guarding him. His morals seemed to be similar to Claude's (at least what Claude's used to be). When Deveaux died, Claude lost his purpose and turned into the cynic we see now.
Also, while Peter seemed to be in another "dream" state, it wasn't at all like when he saw himself explode after his first collapse. It was more interactive with a lot more clarity (not to mention occurring in the past). My point is, I sort of wondered if it wasn't a dream state but rather Hiro's time travel power that went off and sent him back there which would explain the need to use/mention of invisibility. If it was an out of body experience of sorts, nobody could have seen him whether he used invisibility or not.
In rewatching it, I like the idea of him being an empath, I really do, but the first thing that came to mind for me was Sanjog. It just seemed to have the same feel, although, Mohinder wasn't invisible when he had the dream sequences, lol.
In rewatching it, I like the idea of him being an empath, I really do, but the first thing that came to mind for me was Sanjog. It just seemed to have the same feel, although, Mohinder wasn't invisible when he had the dream sequences, lol.
Mohinder was invisible during his dreams - in some cases, he was standing right next to himself, watching himself have a conversation with his father.
There are four questions I can think of about the dream sequence: how did Peter interact with someone who is dead, where was Peter physically during that time (how he got back to lying on the street in time for HRG to find him), why didn't his younger self see him, and why didn't his younger self absorb a bunch of powers?
Peter doing time travel answers the first one - how he interacted with Charles. But the other three are problems.
Charles having the same power as Sanjog answers all of them except the first one.
Something like astral projection into the past answers all four, but it feels odd.
I'm most inclined to think Charles has the same power as Sanjog, because that's the power we've been shown before and it answers most of the questions. Maybe Charles isn't really dead, but with the number of people we've speculated to be "not really dead," I'm getting a little tired of that idea. Maybe Charles exercised the dream power while he was alive, but was able to use it to show something to a future Peter.
I'm of the opinion of Charles Devaux having omnicience. After all, he seems to know everything that's going on around him better than even our supposed precog Angela while they're talking!
And I'm even going one step further, and thinking also that his body may be dead, but his power and consiousness are still out there and able to interact with the physical realms. (I know, me and wild theories, go figure!)
Maybe Ma Patrelli only knows what Charles told her. I think he's the precog/dream person, and he's where Peter got the ability. When he thought Ma Patrelli was on his side, he may have told her everything he'd seen. He probably originally thought she would help him stop the explosion. But once she revealed her true colors and alegience to Linderman, Charles realized that Peter was his only hope.
Posted this in the "Dreaming Time" thread, but I'll do it here, since this is the proper place:
Someone had suggested that perhaps Charles possessed astral projection. However, astral projection would not have explained how Charles could see Peter while Peter was invisible. And even if Peter was visible, it would still not explain how Charles knew that Peter possessed invisibility.
Thus, my ultimate thoughts are that Charles Deveaux:
(1) was an empath too, or
(2) possesses some kind of dreamlike oracle/guide ability (similar to Sanjog's), or
(3) possesses omnipresence
But being omnipresent doesn't explain why Peter was in the past. If it were omnipresence, Deveaux would have appeared at Peter's side in the current time instead of Peter travelling back in time. That would seem to imply more that Peter is omnipresent.
I, of course, know this because I am omnipresent...
What if Sanjog brought both Peter and Claude to Charles... meaning Charles doesn't have any power, but Claude is also able to know more about what is happening ... so in Season02, he'll be Peter's guide once again and give him answers about OWI???
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