I'm not sure we know enough about Charlie yet to determine her as a rightful example. It's recently been discovered there's a Heroes novel being written titled "Saving Charlie". The title of the book may be a sign that she is NOT predestined to die, and that Hiro, later, goes back to save her again.
Although Hiro has already gone back once to try to save Charlie, I can totally see him going back again for a second attempt especially after he's perfected his control over his power. Nice find, Acid! Do know if it will be a graphic novel or a tangible novel to be sold in stores?
Well, graphic novels are tangible too But I see what you mean.
From the sounds of the news story I read (the same link I posted in Season 1, with the DVD details) it's just a regular old literature novel. This is their quote:
Well, graphic novels are tangible too But I see what you mean.
From the sounds of the news story I read (the same link I posted in Season 1, with the DVD details) it's just a regular old literature novel. This is their quote:
You say it like it's a bad thing? Should I play safe and keep schtum?
Oh no, keep the theories coming. Just realise thet the more complex they are, the less likely they are to be the ones the scriptwriters are working to.
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So how do you explain the photograph then?
In my second scenario, the past is still fuzzy. Hiro hadn't gone back in time yet so what is seen is the rough outline of the past as it was. There was a lot of results of stuff, but not their causes. It's not until Hiro goes back that the causes happen. Once that happens, the past is completed and the minor details (such as the photograph) are polished up to reflect the reality.
It's not perfect, but it basically works.
One thing that may be a writer's oversight is that none of the scenarios presented explain how Ando was the only one who experienced/remembered both the pre and post history. Maybe he isn't as un-special as it is made out. (or maybe it is just an unconscious effect of Hiro's power, that be and the the ones he chooses know what's happening)
Well, to be honest, there is a ton about Hiro's power that we theorize about, but don't know for sure. Like how fine-tuned his power can get, and the area of effect his power can create. Who or what he can carry, and whether he needs to be in physical contact with whatever he brings back with him, or if it just needs to be in the proper vicinity.
My thoughts are that once Hiro is able to establish better control over his powers, he should be one of the strongest heroes out there. The ability to bend space and time is nothing trivial at all. To be able to slow down time and dodge bullets? Reverse time so that you don't take that beating you weren't expecting? All of these things can add up to one amazing ability.
My thought is that Hiro right now is trying to find that focal crux in time where the entire explosion of NYC became irreversible. Once he finds that point, then he'll be able to divert the disaster. However, it's finding that one single point that is causing all of the drama that we're watching. I mean really.. it's like trying to find the proverbial needle in a haystack! Who knows what the major point is? It may not actually be saving Claire.. It could have been when Claire was able to keep Ted from popping when they were holding her hostage in the house. It could be having her meet up with the Haitian and Peter's Mom. It could be that because of certain events that Nathan and Nikki are finally able to meet a third time, and work together. Who knows? Something in what we've seen had to have been altered from the future to be able to help Hiro alter the outcome of the future. Not that it diverts the destruction of NYC, but that it helps save the rest of mankind. We'll have to wait and see. (sighs)
In my second scenario, the past is still fuzzy. Hiro hadn't gone back in time yet so what is seen is the rough outline of the past as it was. There was a lot of results of stuff, but not their causes. It's not until Hiro goes back that the causes happen. Once that happens, the past is completed and the minor details (such as the photograph) are polished up to reflect the reality.
Okay, I get you now....
I must admit, I find it hard to think "fuzzy" like that...the concept of a sequence of events having to happen twice (in a sense) before they're clearly defined makes a big old lump in the shape of my thoughts..
I may not totally agree, but I'm not going to deny the possibility, now that I understand what you're saying. Hell, I can even march in step with your thinking and add the following....
buckaroo wrote:
One thing that may be a writer's oversight is that none of the scenarios presented explain how Ando was the only one who experienced/remembered both the pre and post history. Maybe he isn't as un-special as it is made out. (or maybe it is just an unconscious effect of Hiro's power, that be and the the ones he chooses know what's happening)
On the Ando/photo thing....Ando is merely surprised to see his friend (who's just teleported to yesterday, as far as he knows) in a 6-month-old photo...there is no indication that he remembers it in it's "fuzzy" state....it's as if he's seeing the photo for the first time....like maybe it didn't register with him in it's previous state
The ability to bend space and time is nothing trivial at all. To be able to slow down time and dodge bullets?
True enough, but we don't know how big a role destiny plays in the whole thing....Hiro's ability could be limited to "here and now" effects, like stopping bullets etc. rather than "changing destiny" effects.
My thought is that Hiro right now is trying to find that focal crux in time where the entire explosion of NYC became irreversible. Once he finds that point, then he'll be able to divert the disaster. However, it's finding that one single point that is causing all of the drama that we're watching. I mean really.. it's like trying to find the proverbial needle in a haystack! Who knows what the major point is? It may not actually be saving Claire.. It could have been when Claire was able to keep Ted from popping when they were holding her hostage in the house. It could be having her meet up with the Haitian and Peter's Mom. It could be that because of certain events that Nathan and Nikki are finally able to meet a third time, and work together. Who knows? Something in what we've seen had to have been altered from the future to be able to help Hiro alter the outcome of the future. Not that it diverts the destruction of NYC, but that it helps save the rest of mankind. We'll have to wait and see. (sighs)
I really like your line of thinking, Jorm. I had also gone back and tried to remember all of the scenes that Claire has been in, because while we've all been theorizing this whole time, it really is like trying to find the needle in the haystack.
There truly are a bunch of potential reasonings behind "Save the Cheerleader."
Meaning, if Peter didn't save Claire, not only would Sylar be near invincible, but in addition:
1) Peter probably would not have visited Odessa, Texas, which in turn might NOT have allowed him to overload and have dreams about Claude, thus ultimately he might not have ever met Claude and learned to control his powers.
2) Meridith would have never spoken to/met Claire... would have never called Nathan... and would have never gotten money to go to Mexico.
3) Nathan wouldn't have had the conversation with Angela Petrelli regarding Meridith/Claire.
4) Sandra Bennet might be dead (because Claire wouldn't be there for Matt to shoot, thus Ted would have shot Sandra because HRG wasn't giving him answers).
5) Ted might have still exploded, and a good portion of Odessa, Texas, would be gone.
6) The Haitian might still be working with the Company... HOWEVER
7) Number 5 might also lead to the fact that HRG and Thompson would be dead too, since they would have been in the vicinity of the explosion, thus potentially dissolving "The Company" post-Ted-explosion... and there would thus be no Company for the Haitian to work for.
8 ) Claire would have never pursued Peter, or met her grandmother or her father
(which we know happens in the next episode).
These are all of the possible outcomes that would have occurred had Peter not saved Claire, and while we may guess that Future Hiro's reasoning is just so that Sylar cannot obtain an ability to heal, it could very well be another scene we have overlooked. Kudos to Jorm for help with this one
Such a small thing to make such a complex sequence of events.....
Yes! Needle in a haystack.....A needle in a haystack is EASY to find when you put the needle in there in the first place....
If future Hiro is trying to prevent the explosion, how could he possibly know what would be the necessary event, given the degrees of seperation between saving the cheerleader and saving "the world"....he couldn't....unless he has the power of hindsight.....
Could it be true then, that future (trained) Hiro has deliberately set in motion the sequence that leads to the event which present (untrained) Hiro is trying to stop, and which, in future Hiro's time has already happened....? Essentially, living through the sequence and the event gave him the knowledge that he was responsible for the sequence and the event, and that he must complete the circle....
I know it's been suggested before, so I'm not claiming it as mine.
dude, u brought about a good point. im going to stretch it a bit further...
i think future hiro is trying to bring about something bad/evil in our eyes, i think he WANTS sylar to get her power. Only thing is....not earlier at homecoming, but its essential to future hiro that he gets it IN NYC! im still going with hiro or peter dying =[
dude, u brought about a good point. im going to stretch it a bit further...
i think future hiro is trying to bring about something bad/evil in our eyes, i think he WANTS sylar to get her power. Only thing is....not earlier at homecoming, but its essential to future hiro that he gets it IN NYC! im still going with hiro or peter dying =[
I am unforutnately going to have to disagree and say that there can be no good coming out of Sylar absorbing Claire's power, and that this definitely isn't Future Hiro's intent. At all. If anything, it would make Sylar more brutal and relentless because he would lose all fear of getting hurt, being seen, etc.
And in regards to Hiro dying, it's definitely not him. It's already been revealed in another spoiler thread that Hiro will be in a different century during season 2 - which I am assuming will be the past where he can train as a samurai. Also, in the "Global" thread that contains an interview with Tim Kring, Kring says something along the lines of, "With the ability to bend space and time, it doesn't mean we will necessarily be seeing the last of characters that die" (something like that). Well, if Present Hiro dies, then there IS nobody to bend space and time, unless of course you bring Future Hiro into the mix, but according to our timeline theories, if Present Hiro dies, then Future Hiro might also cease to exist.
My thought is that Hiro right now is trying to find that focal crux in time where the entire explosion of NYC became irreversible.
I'd suggest it is more like the time where the explosion becomes reversible.
I still think big changes in history are unable to be accomplished directly by Hiro. His message on the blog talked about butterflies and hurricanes, maybe he is trying to find the one little thing that when changed, sets in motion a series of events that had dramatic effects.
1/ "Save the cheerleader, save the world"
2/ Peter meets Clare and gets the healing power.
3/ Peter doesn't die from being tossed from the building by claude. (or even Sylar's attack)
4/ which then leaves an extra pawn on the board that wouldn't have been there...
Of course, The whole "save the cheerleader" thing may just be Hiro coming back to instigate the actions that produced the results of the fuzzy past.
So . . . Future Hiro's gone over to the DARK SIDE and is just screwing with everybody?
I kind of doubt that. If he had gone over to the "dark side", he probably wouldn't care about creating rifts, not to mention, his powers are so advanced 5 years in the future, he could very well stop time and plant a nuke in NYC himself, if he wanted to. Or hell, the Pentagon's not far from New York. Go to the Pent., grab some launch codes and start a nuclear launch on New York from our own country, and unfreeze time once he's disabled the controls with his sword.
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