Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Hiro Nakamura (Chronokinesis)
Hiro discovers in the first episode he can actually affect the space-time continuum, stopping or slowing time though sheer force of will. The first noted occurrence is when Hiro apparently made a subway train late using this power. This is especially notable because a Japanese train being late at all is an extremely unlikely event. Later, he theorizes that he may soon be able to teleport by bending the space part of the continuum. Although this isn't seen, he does seem to teleport from the seating area of a Karaoke bar to a ladies' washroom on a dare (said in jest) by Ando. When he believes he needs to go to New York, he concentrates intensely, teleporting to Times Square, New York, five weeks into the future. Ultimately, he is also able to revert the process to exact place and moment he left when an explosion in the alternate future threatens his life.
Although being able to teleport and time travel great lengths at once, Hiro had no apparent control over how much time elapsed when he teleported. It is unknown at this point if Hiro is completely unable to control his time traveling (although he easily returned to the "present" with a thought), or if he simply did not know "when" he was going at the time he chose "where" he wished to go. In the third episode, he also froze time relative to himself. He could not hold time in this state for very long, but he since duplicated the feat repeatedly in a Las Vegas casino. Hiro seems to have a growing grasp of his abilities and how to use them at will, and the active use of his powers seems to help him improve his control.
Hiro constantly keeps his powers at check because he does not know any adverse effects that could result from them. He seems to stem his knowledge of his powers from popular beliefs such as meeting oneself in the past might result in a paradox. The Hiro from the future, however, seems to know that his powers can potentially disrupt the space-time continuum.
Although no source has been cited for Hiro's powers beyond the general theme of evolution, a free web comic released by NBC notes that Hiro's grandfather died from cancer, which can be inferred to be directly related to the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Believing that he has done "a great disservice" to him, Hiro makes an origami crane out of the cover leaf for Action Comics #1, the comic book which introduced Superman. His grandfather had given him the comic book as a gift.
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: The Hiro Paradox
When Hiro “stops” time, wouldn’t it be logical to assume that all things around him stop?
This would include all movement on the molecular level and thus heat.
Will a fireball, as seen when Hiro saves DL, burn Hiro, or would he be able to pass directly through as if it were simply a gas?
On the same note, if he were stranded in the arctic would he become cold? It seems that the stopping of time has no effect on any part of his anatomy so I would assume the same on the molecular level. However because he is able to act on his surroundings in a physical manner, it is possible that his own body heat could still be transferred to the surroundings and thus cause him to become cold. However, the surroundings would not vibrate, but rather would move and then stop. This seems to violate the conservation of energy.
This has even greater implications.
If time is truly stopped, then photons should also be stopped and there would be no way for hiro to see.
I’m still uncertain what affect a true time stoppage would have on the movement of sound. Theoretically, any time he moved or spoke he would create a vacuum in his wake as no atom or molecule would move back to replace the space he displaces. Wouldn’t the lack of movement on the molecular level have an effect on his ability to breath as well?
My initial theory would be that Hiro hasn’t actually stopped time, but is rather moving near the speed of light. This would allow him to remain in the normal world without actually breaking any physical laws…except the fact that E=MC^2 would make him pretty much infinitely massive. It would however allow him to process light in a normal fashion, since the theory of relativity covers nicely the implications of watching something moving the speed of light while moving the speed of light yourself.
Unfortunately the whole “infinite mass” thing causes problems of its own. For instance, if he was actually moving the speed of light or near it, merely touching something would cause it significant harm when he reentered normal speed.
Think of getting poked by something moving the speed of light…
Perhaps I am making a mistake somewhere, if anyone has any insight on this seeming paradox please respond!
I dont think Hiro "stops time" per se. I think He moves outside of it. Any actions he takes are not in time exactly, but outside of it, thus not actually moving objects at near instantaneous speed. He works outside physics as we know it...it does not fall under any quantum theories as I understand them, because again, there would be secondary effects... like bursting into flame due to the friction of moving at infinate speed, or multiple fractures due to inertia of said speeds...If he actually stopped time then any object would be immovable, locked into spacetime as they are tied. It has to go outside of our understanding of physics...and quantum physics as well...at least as much as I have understand it...
I think your thinking way too deep into, im sure kring doesn't want peoples heads to explode trying to figure out the molecular structure of objects in frozen time.
Great theory Quiz. Kring has said that the rules of Hiro's Time Travel will be explained this season, so it will be very interesting to see how close yours play out.
I always viewed time as a fourth Demension... if it is... maybe what Hiro's power really is, is that he can bend and control the fourth demension.... and that itself would explain why his people aren't harmed......
But then again, it could be tessaracts (sp) both time, and space. Which would explain the teleportation as well as the stopped time.
It is my theroy that when he "stops time" or "travels through it" that he is actully making himself non-linaer (like god) in the sense that he can go through time or focus on a certian point much like you would look at a timeline...hence the refernce to alll the timelines and what not.
1st- I doubt Tim knows quantum mechanics, and I doubt he cares. So any theory we make is only trying to validate the possiblity in our own minds. We are trying to mesh this world into our own understanding of our own world. This ain't our world. There are clear physical impossibilities (Unless we took these thinks to be actually god like and on the realm of spiritual matter).
2nd- When Tim said we will learn the rules of Hiro's Time traveling, I think he was more refering to rules that Hiro puts on himself, so that he doesn't create time paradoxes (though according to one theory, I'll have to see how it pans out, he already has). Its along the same lines as not using his powers for personal gain. Its things he wants to avoid at all cost, but for possible physical ramifications rather than moral. There is nothing in what he said to back this idea up that I remember. It just makes sense.
3rd- I like LongHair's thinking. His self described power is the ability to bend space-time. As such, the rules of general or specialized relativity do not apply to him. He stops time, and is thus not moving on a physical realm of matter. If time truely stopped and he was still moving on the physical realm, he couldn't move. Even if he could somehow move his body, assuming that his powers encompassed them, he couldn't "contact" any surface to act upon. All the forces used in physics rely on time to act. There couldn't be any forces on the electromagnetic scale (contact force) or gravity, or anything. His leg would slip through the ground, since his atoms will never touch the ground atoms (so small). The only thing that keeps us up now is the magnetic repulsion exerted upon us by whatever we are on, and that occurs over time, and in the physical realm. Clearly he isnot on the realm of space-time but on yet another dimension looking in, and using sheer will to move things. Because its instantaneous movement, there is not law of conservation to apply. Because there is no physical force, we don't have to worry about physical laws. Its a higher dimension with higher laws of "physics". His power is truly "god-like".
Its a higher dimension with higher laws of "physics". His power is truly "god-like".
Totally CC, this is the same conclusion that I came to. The laws of physics as we know it describe and pertain only to our time-bound universe. While we still do not completely understand the nature of Hiro's abilities, the evidence thus far shows that he moves outside of time, possibly in another dimension altogether.
I have yet to put much real thought into it's feasibility, but there is also the idea that Hiro's ability affects Hiro and the world separately when time is stopped. The world may be stopped by some means or another, while Hiro is wrapped in a time-space cocoon, allowing him to move freely and effect the world normally.
I also wanted to note the fact that it seems many people in this discussion have the same view of God being outside of time. Its a very cool to find those with similar understandings of the subject.
Its a higher dimension with higher laws of "physics". His power is truly "god-like".
Totally CC, this is the same conclusion that I came to. The laws of physics as we know it describe and pertain only to our time-bound universe. While we still do not completely understand the nature of Hiro's abilities, the evidence thus far shows that he moves outside of time, possibly in another dimension altogether.
I have yet to put much real thought into it's feasibility, but there is also the idea that Hiro's ability affects Hiro and the world separately when time is stopped. The world may be stopped by some means or another, while Hiro is wrapped in a time-space cocoon, allowing him to move freely and effect the world normally.
I also wanted to note the fact that it seems many people in this discussion have the same view of God being outside of time. Its a very cool to find those with similar understandings of the subject.
Well, according to String Theory, there are at least 11 dimensions to the Universe, only four of which we understand (three of space and one of time). So the whole theory of Hiro's true power being the ability to move through one or more of the other seven dimensions is what I arrived at as well.
And I too view God as existing "outside of time" in a way. Although I would say that my take on the matter is more that God IS the Universe, all matter, energy, and dimensions, rather than He exists independently of them.
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