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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spotted this elsewhere:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-02-19-heroes-cypress_x.htm

Seems like Simone is really out of the picture.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so releived that Ando didn't die. I don't think this is the last we will see of him though. I wouldn't put it past Ando to follow Hiro and come to his rescue at some point. (Then Ando would get to be a hero too!) He has got to feel terrible about the whole Hope debacle. It just seems to me that Hiro would be lost without his best bud and confidante.

I'm glad Simone is gone. The story line didn't really need her anymore and she wasn't that pretty anyway. I can't figure why either Peter of Isaac were so keen on her. She was annoying and stupid. (Lets tell the world about your powers? C'mon, that was just a stupid, stupid idea.)

I think Claude will be back too. Just a hunch.

I'm hoping Mohinder comes to his senses soon. The way he looked at Sylar outside the hotel makes me think that he realizes something isn't quiter right with "Zane". When Sylar kept going on about how 'we can find them all together' Mohinder got a 'this guy is scaring me' kind of look.

I can't wait to see what happens with HRG. Without the Haitian there it should be interesting to see if Matt can read HRG's thoughts and what they might reveal.

I hope there is al LOT more Stan Lee. He is the coolest, and one of my heroes.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad theories aside, this episode seemed like more of a transitional episode, just to kind of confirm who's good, who's bad and who's pretty much served their purpose.

Just a note...Why did the Doc ask Claire to sit down and then go on to Claire about her Mom's "subdermal haemorrhage" like it was the cause of the blackouts? Now, I'm no med. student, but I'm pretty sure the subdermal haemorrhage is just the bruise she got on her scalp from hitting her head on the ground after the blackout.

Was surprised when Simone got shot, but kind of pleased. Zesty and I were just commenting about how schitzy her character was. One minute intensely cynical about abilities, the next jumping about like an excited puppy at the prospect of all these heroes, then completely nonplussed about all the abilities, and cynical about the whole thing. Also, her continuously flipping between Peter and Isaak purely as a writers device for stirring up animosity between Peter and Isaak....

And how many bloody times did she go to give her keys back to Isaak? Women!


So.....how long before the penny drops for Mohinder...? He's pretty suspicious of "Zane" already. Will he figure it out before the next victim?

Notice how Dale (?) hears something irregular in Sylar's heart? He says it's murder, I say it's a big ol' lump of cholesterol just waiting to detatch itself and give the writers an out just when we think a "critical" hero (or heroes) is about to die with no possibility of escape.

I don't think Peter has enough control over his powers yet to be sure of preventing him going nuclear....he seems to get carried away quite easily. Mind you, Ted's still a possibility....Visions of the future, while accurate, do have a tendency to be misleading in this series!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I just point out that Hiro focused his powers so tightly that he actually manipulated the timeflow of the bullet itself, not its surroundings. The bullet reversed, flying back into the gun, where it stunned Hope. If he'd "just" reversed the flow of time, she'd have just fired again, but no. This is extremely localised temporal control - the kind of thing he thought he'd need the sword to do....Does that make sense? I'm a bit tired!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think it can work that way, if you can regenerate other people, then Claire should be able to do the same, since its her powers originally. If we've never seen Claire regenerate anyone before, we won't see Peter doing it.



The regenerative power did not originate in Claire, per se, so the fact that we haven't seen Claire use it on someone else doesn't mean Peter can't do it. After all, Isaac did not see Simone until after Peter turned off his invisibility power to become visible and Simone appeared at the same time with the bullet wounds. It was not clear to me whether Peter was holding Simone or if she was just standing next to him when shot and Peter grabbed her later. Either way, Peter clearly used his invisibility power to encompass Simone when she entered the apartment. I am betting that Peter's underlying empathy might be strong enough, given his love for Simone, that he can regenerate her and heal the bullet wounds.


No, Peter was still invisible and only became visible AFTER Simone was shot. There was ni indication that Simone was invisible. Isaac just heard a noise and turned and shot @ it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can I just point out that Hiro focused his powers so tightly that he actually manipulated the timeflow of the bullet itself, not its surroundings. The bullet reversed, flying back into the gun, where it stunned Hope. If he'd "just" reversed the flow of time, she'd have just fired again, but no. This is extremely localised temporal control - the kind of thing he thought he'd need the sword to do....Does that make sense? I'm a bit tired!



YES!!! that's exactly what I took from the scene. The question is...did bpeter do the same thing to the EMP stun gun from the Haitian, or did he use TK to stop it, or did he stop time then use TK to stop it....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just a note...Why did the Doc ask Claire to sit down and then go on to Claire about her Mom's "subdermal haemorrhage" like it was the cause of the blackouts? Now, I'm no med. student, but I'm pretty sure the subdermal haemorrhage is just the bruise she got on her scalp from hitting her head on the ground after the blackout.


The doctor said Claire's mother had a subdural hemorrhage. So you may have heard it wrong. I went to my dictionary and got this definition: "between the dura mater and arachnoid membrane of the brain and spinal cord."

I was annoyed that the doctor told Claire that what she said would be held in the strictest confidence, and then went and told Claire's dad what she said. Oh well, Claire and her dad were headed for a meltdown anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was annoyed that the doctor told Claire that what she said would be held in the strictest confidence, and then went and told Claire's dad what she said.


That was not surprising to me. Claire's a teenager who says that someone is messing with her mother's memories and her father is of no help. I was a little surprised that the doctor didn't recommend that Claire be sedated or sent for some "mental help with her problems" with delusional thinking. Or maybe the doctor did make such recommendations and that's why HRG was a bit rocky in his response to Claire's anger. The nickname "Claire bear" was too icky cute for me and I would have punched him for that. club
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think Peter still has untapped powers, as he came into contact with Sylar, who has demonstrated quite a few powers that Peter hasn't used yet. Aside from TK, Peter should also have the Memory from Charlie, and whatever other powers Sylar has stolen up until the comflict at the high school.

That also includes Hiro's time ability! Who's to say that Peter can't bend time backwards, and use his TK to redirect the bullets that hit Simone?

I also wonder if Issac will recant his ways, or if he's going to stay in HRG's camp? I know that Peter and Issac are going to be flint and steel, but who is going to be the one to break? My money's on Peter giving up, and going on. Issac seems to driven to be "Mr. Right" and Peter seems too much "Mr. Might" for there to be any real clear winner in that contest. I don't see Peter killing Issac unless it was to save his own skin....


We still don't know if Peter only needs to be next to the person to get their powers to do later. We know that if he is around them he can use them without seeing them, but we don't know if he absorbs everypower and can use every one of them later.
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The TK he saw sylar do. He was around Claire when he did the regeneration. So so far we don't know exactly Peter can and can't do. I don't think it is a fair assumtion to say that he has powers that sylar has, cause he only saw the TK. He might not even be able to bend part of time and space, but we know he can bend all of time and space.

Wow that was really bugging me.

PS that was by far my favorite eps. I don't feel it was a fill in eps. like the last few were.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmm looks like simone's coming back at least 2 more times... dreams/flashbacks and whatnot.

i think hrg went for claude first because im not sure if he realized that peter could hold on to the powers. but then again if claude has had experience with empaths, then hrg probably would too. sooo scratch that idea. or perhaps he couldnt tell which one was who just by looking at heat signatures. btw i loved that little smile hrg had on his face after seeing peter use TK and then fly.

anyone notice that matt didnt mention to ted that he hasnt really been able to get into HRG's head as of yet?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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slippy wrote:
Can I just point out that Hiro focused his powers so tightly that he actually manipulated the timeflow of the bullet itself, not its surroundings. The bullet reversed, flying back into the gun, where it stunned Hope. If he'd "just" reversed the flow of time, she'd have just fired again, but no. This is extremely localised temporal control - the kind of thing he thought he'd need the sword to do....Does that make sense? I'm a bit tired!



YES!!! that's exactly what I took from the scene. The question is...did bpeter do the same thing to the EMP stun gun from the Haitian, or did he use TK to stop it, or did he stop time then use TK to stop it....


I don't have a copy of the episode to watch again, but we're certainly led to believe that Peter slowed time down first then used telekinesis. But the camera trick could also be a red herring that makes us think he was using Hiro's time powers. With this show, nothing can be discounted.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JWangSDC wrote:
slippy wrote:
Can I just point out that Hiro focused his powers so tightly that he actually manipulated the timeflow of the bullet itself, not its surroundings. The bullet reversed, flying back into the gun, where it stunned Hope. If he'd "just" reversed the flow of time, she'd have just fired again, but no. This is extremely localised temporal control - the kind of thing he thought he'd need the sword to do....Does that make sense? I'm a bit tired!



YES!!! that's exactly what I took from the scene. The question is...did bpeter do the same thing to the EMP stun gun from the Haitian, or did he use TK to stop it, or did he stop time then use TK to stop it....


I don't have a copy of the episode to watch again, but we're certainly led to believe that Peter slowed time down first then used telekinesis. But the camera trick could also be a red herring that makes us think he was using Hiro's time powers. With this show, nothing can be discounted.



YES YES YES!!!!

It was either...


1) Use TK (Camera filming in super slow motion)

2) Stop time, use TK to stop EMP

3) use super stop time liek Hiro did and localize the effects to the tazer. That's what it really looked like.


Peter is too muhc of a beast. I think someone will die and peter will absorb their power and that will be his only power. EIther that or he'll have to kick the bucket himself.

Any thoughts on what would happen if Peter absorbs both Sylars ORIGINAL power and DL's power? He could do some brain surgery without killing...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand corrected on the subdural/subdermal point - my ears aint what they used to be!

I reckon the biggest difference between Peter and Sylar (ability-wise) is that Sylar, in adopting a new ability already knows the dna (or whatever) changes he needs to make to his body or mind to USE that ability. I think Peter probably has to be in range (20ft I think?) when a power is USED so that his brain can then mimic it.....

This explains why Sylar has use of a new power (if not full control) as soon as he adopts it, while we have only seen Peter use powers that have been actually used near him.

Am I right in thinking that Peter has been near to Ted while they were in police cells (some episodes ago, while Matt was working with the FBI), or do I have my timings wrong?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

masdog wrote:

I don't have a copy of the episode to watch again, but we're certainly led to believe that Peter slowed time down first then used telekinesis. But the camera trick could also be a red herring that makes us think he was using Hiro's time powers. With this show, nothing can be discounted.


The change in lighting appeared the same as during a time-freeze when the stungun was fired at him, so I concur - instinctive time-freeze followed by controlled TK.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you also believe (like me!) that Peter was close enough to the Haitian to absorb his power ???
We shall see....

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