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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Peter still has untapped powers, as he came into contact with Sylar, who has demonstrated quite a few powers that Peter hasn't used yet. Aside from TK, Peter should also have the Memory from Charlie, and whatever other powers Sylar has stolen up until the comflict at the high school.

That also includes Hiro's time ability! Who's to say that Peter can't bend time backwards, and use his TK to redirect the bullets that hit Simone?

I also wonder if Issac will recant his ways, or if he's going to stay in HRG's camp? I know that Peter and Issac are going to be flint and steel, but who is going to be the one to break? My money's on Peter giving up, and going on. Issac seems to driven to be "Mr. Right" and Peter seems too much "Mr. Might" for there to be any real clear winner in that contest. I don't see Peter killing Issac unless it was to save his own skin....
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For starters, I'm a complete message board newbie so please be nice to me wave

Just wanted to ask if anyone else noticed a faint clock ticking sound after the part when Dale asks Sylar if he's nervous about something. Right before the commercial break

PS LOVE the direction Peter's character is going in... also, I definitely dont think we've seen the last of Claude
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogue, there is usually a distinct ticking and sound of clock works when Sylar is doing his "thing"
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ooh. Embarassed guess it was first time i noticed.

darn VHS staticy noises
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ando will be back. Hiro will need his help again in the future, and there isn't anyone else that he trusts.

Claude will be back too. There are too many unanswered questions about the man. Is he an empath like Peter? Or does he just have a better understanding of the powers that the Heroes possess?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my mind, this was the BEST episode ever! Matt actually did something, Peter is learning more and more about his powers! I mean he stopped that taser and then he flew away! How cool was that!? And then the Claire story and the chick with super hearing, It was the BEST episode of the series so far. I think next week can only get better, too.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think it can work that way, if you can regenerate other people, then Claire should be able to do the same, since its her powers originally. If we've never seen Claire regenerate anyone before, we won't see Peter doing it.



The regenerative power did not originate in Claire, per se, so the fact that we haven't seen Claire use it on someone else doesn't mean Peter can't do it. After all, Isaac did not see Simone until after Peter turned off his invisibility power to become visible and Simone appeared at the same time with the bullet wounds. It was not clear to me whether Peter was holding Simone or if she was just standing next to him when shot and Peter grabbed her later. Either way, Peter clearly used his invisibility power to encompass Simone when she entered the apartment. I am betting that Peter's underlying empathy might be strong enough, given his love for Simone, that he can regenerate her and heal the bullet wounds.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

all i wana no is what happens when peter and niki meet?!?


by the way it was a sweet episode. =)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree this weeks episode was much better then last weeks.

It seemed that what happened with Hiro was, he stopped time, and reveresed the action of just the bullet back into the gun. I remeber a suprised look that Hope had when she saw the gun fly back after te bullet returned. Ando will be back Hiro needs him, cant explain why but he just does :p

(I thought the luggage doors would close and Hiro and Ando would be stuck in the bus thus leading them further away from :as Vegas.)

Why would Bennet attack Claude first instead of Peter, especially if he knew what Peter's power was, and the fact that Peter could get away. Maybe he didn't know what powers Peter had, or maybe he wanted him to use them. Claude described Peter as a sponge, if thats true how many times will Peter have to use the power before its gone. If Peter really is a "sponge" for powers everytime he uses a power would be like ringing out the water in a sponge until its completly dry again.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think it can work that way, if you can regenerate other people, then Claire should be able to do the same, since its her powers originally. If we've never seen Claire regenerate anyone before, we won't see Peter doing it.



The regenerative power did not originate in Claire, per se, so the fact that we haven't seen Claire use it on someone else doesn't mean Peter can't do it. After all, Isaac did not see Simone until after Peter turned off his invisibility power to become visible and Simone appeared at the same time with the bullet wounds. It was not clear to me whether Peter was holding Simone or if she was just standing next to him when shot and Peter grabbed her later. Either way, Peter clearly used his invisibility power to encompass Simone when she entered the apartment. I am betting that Peter's underlying empathy might be strong enough, given his love for Simone, that he can regenerate her and heal the bullet wounds.


No, I disagree. Isacc was not exactly calm, and he spun around and fired when he heard the sound of the door. He did see Simone, he was mostly just stunned to see that he had just shot her. Peter was invisible, Simone definitely wasn't. Peter re-appeared beside Simone to catch her as she fell to the floor, that was all. I think the scene was trying to show Isacc's intention to kill Peter, willingly firing his gun, and also that the key he gave to Simone and was so adamant on her keeping it, causing her to die. If she could not open the door on her own without his key, she would not have been shot.

With all the yelling and crashing of things, I wonder why she opened the door so silently without calling out to Isacc or Peter. She must have heard their voices before opening the door...

I hope Simone stays dead. I hated her at the start because of her extreme skepticism at Isacc, I started appreciating her when she helped Hiro and company with Linderman (I thought she was quite nice during that ep), but I started hating her again when she spoke with Nathan about going public. This is definitely not the sort of thing you go public with, and Nathan's argument was 100 percent right. There was no "Where Peter sees hope, you see disaster" in what he said, Simone was just being naive.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the boards, Breakdown Smile

I'm not so sure about Ando coming back - what if his going back to Tokyo is what clarifies the timeline so far? I remember Hiro telling Ando that he's supposed to come with him on the mission and Ando questions this by bringing up the fact that Future Hiro (as in, the one that found dead Isaac and saw the bomb, not the one that came to Peter on the subway) talked to him and he was still in Tokyo, and that shouldn't he stay there to wait for his call? It's still kind of iffy on the whole issue, but if Ando is back in Tokyo and the whole thing with Isaac really does end up happening, then that means the bomb will go off 5 weeks from Ep. 16 Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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After all, Isaac did not see Simone until after Peter turned off his invisibility power to become visible and Simone appeared at the same time with the bullet wounds. It was not clear to me whether Peter was holding Simone or if she was just standing next to him when shot and Peter grabbed her later. Either way, Peter clearly used his invisibility power to encompass Simone when she entered the apartment.


I think that you may be wrong about Peter making Symone invisible. I think Isaac was on edge, heard a noise bhind him and fired without looking. Unfortunately, it was Symone coming to return the key and not Peter. Peter was able to get to her side as she was falling and caught her. Also, I dont think that Claire (and Peter) have healing abilities other than for their own bodies. It may have manifested itself when Claire went to the aid of her mother.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It looks like three people won't be coming back - Claude, Simone, and Ando.


I wouldn't be too quick to count Ando out...
Hiro may change his mind about the importance of Sidekicks
after he talks with Stan"The Man" Lee.
And how do we know for sure if Claude isn't coming back?
He's invisible....
he could be anywhere without our seeing him.
His agent could get Claude paid for years if the show continues on.


OK, I can go along with Claude or Ando coming back. And now that I think about it, more of Claude's past will probably be revealed. But to me it feels like Ando is not coming back.

It looked like Claude became invisible to Peter. I didn't know he could do that. Maybe it was because Peter can turn his powers on and off now, and invisibility was "off."

It would be very cool for someone to be able to regenerate other people, but we haven't seen it happen yet. I don't think Peter made Simone invisible. He did not become visible at the same time Simone was shot - she stood there for a few seconds after she was shot before Peter reappeared.

Simone might not be dead. I don't really believe she will survive, but she hasn't been down long enough to give up yet. I can't imagine Peter and Isaac wouldn't do CPR and call an ambulance. It might not save her, but I expect they would try.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seemed like one of the bullets hit her heart though. But they did say "Someone flies and someone dies" and she's the second someone for this episode. You never know...

If Peter can pull off Hiro's new localized time-space manipulation ability, he might be able to save Simone, but incredibly unlikely. I just can't see that scene happening. If he manages to teleport into the past and tries to save Simone, it would create the usual paradox thing. Imagine him appearing to move Simone away, then there would be two Peters. The original Peter wouldn't disappear since if Simone didn't die he wouldn't have gone to the past.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also the possibility that Peter can use Hiro's time manipulation to keep her from being in the path of the bullets.. So count Simone down, but not quite out of the picture..

Claude to me is still a mystery. I don't think his power is just limited to invisibility like he's led Peter to believe. I do think that he's an empath just like Peter, only he's been trying to hide it from HRG and co. After all, his reaction to Peter about what he's done leading them to him makes me think that Claude is quite a bit more than what he seems. Someone trying that desperately to hide has some really dark secrets that they are trying to bury alongside their alternate lifestyle that they left behind.

I think Peter will be able after a while to sniff out Claude once more, and get something else from him, but not in the near future. The showdown between Peter and Sylar is going to be close, with Peter trying to rescue Mohinder from Sylar's clutches.. We'll see!

I hope Matt doesn't do anything too stupid to reconcile, or he's going to end up on the "dark side" of heroes as well.. I think that Hana's playing both Ted and Matt as her fall guys, making them do the dirty work while she gathers just enough information to egg them on just a little bit further. As long as they put a burr in HRG's saddle, I think Hana's happy with that..
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