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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i didnt call everyone in the room wrong. re-read my post if you like. then read my second post, for further points as to why i wasnt talking to everyone. you however, took it personal, and docked me points. dont pretend its any other reason, thanks.

you keep proving my suggestions correct, whilst vehemently denying them. you insist that your problem is plot holes which arent plot holes because of simple reasons but you wont accept the simple reason. irony, thy name is talmidi.

whilst the definition of intellectual and intelligent are not perhaps far removed, intelligence and wisdom truly are. you basically just confessed that you dont like the easy explanation.

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. You operate from the premise that it all makes sense if you just think about it hard enough rather than placing the burden on the writers to write a story that makes sense on screen. No matter what I say, you'll find away that I'm wrong because it suits the type of devotion you have to the show

what? no it doesnt. my point is the opposite. i even said i wasnt going to repeat this again, but iv had to.

putting words in my mouth, taking my reputation, then accusing me of belittling you.

i guess youve been listening to nietzsche a little too much

"All truth is simple... is that not doubly a lie?"

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sweetL wrote:
i didnt call everyone in the room wrong. re-read my post if you like. then read my second post, for further points as to why i wasnt talking to everyone.

Not everyone. "Many people." As in those of us who are currently dissatisfied.

sweetL wrote:
you keep proving my suggestions correct, whilst vehemently denying them. you insist that your problem is plot holes which arent plot holes because of simple reasons but you wont accept the simple reason. irony, thy name is talmidi.

I'm not sure how exactly I've proven your suggestions correct. I've pointed out where I think the show has lost its way, and I haven't responded to your specific, plot-related points. I do deny that the plot of Volume 2 is original, well-paced, or logically consistent with the precedents set in the first season (continuity), that is true.

My point all along is that your explanations are far from simple and take a great deal of extrapolating from what is seen on screen to reach. You have solved all these mysteries with your own theories about the show. I also am a critical viewer of the show, and I disagree with many of your explanations. I watch the same episodes and see inconsistencies where you see none. I find your explanations for these inconsistencies to be unsatisfactory. I don't think you are being fair to assume that people who feel as I feel are simply too dense or too dumb to understand the show.

Someone also made the point that since we aren't writers, we obviously know less about the show. That's probably not true as I'm sure many people on these boards have viewed the episodes more times than many of these new writers. That's why we seem to catch many of the inconsistencies that the writers seems simply not to notice. For example, watch for...
Peter getting a nosebleed from using telekinesis to remove a locked safe door when he could have easily used liquification instead without a problem.

(Peter does not have to see a power to intuitively begin to use it at the right moments. D.L.'s presence in Kirby Plaza alone was enough to allow Peter to phase out of his cell, and Adam with him, even though he had never met D.L. face to face, nor had he ever heard of or witnessed phasing.)
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putting words in my mouth, taking my reputation, then accusing me of belittling you.

I feel like I've been fair to your opinion, which is simply different than mine. We disagree about the quality of the show, the freshness of the plot, and the continuity of the events. That's fine.

I feel like you hurt your reputation by being dismissive to some people by calling them wrong in a blanket statement and insinuating that they were out of touch with the show, and I was included among that group.

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what? no it doesnt. my point is the opposite.

The opposite of what exactly? Do you mean to say you'll find a way that I'm right because it does not suit the type of devotion you have to the show? I'm confused. Neutral
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cant wait for the new episode thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO NOAH !!! "Stings like a witch, doesn't it?"

Good to see the Heroes "Fire" returning !!!


B's become W's , kinda changes things...............Oooops my bad, thanks for cleaning me up SuperHiro!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG! No more HRG? cant be! they have to heal him!

SuperHiro, will you move my posts here to the correct Thread when it starts, i know this thread is for episode 8, but 9 aint open and i cant wait....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh man, I was hoping Claires blood would do the trick, but, now i see Claire dumping ashes into the ocean, saying good bye to her Dad................."HRG Underground Company Destroyer"

Too bad there are only 2 more episodes( i hate the writer's strike ) Heroes is getting back to the stuff that made it great!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: BRILLIANT!!! Reply with quote

By far the best episode of the year...I officially think West is pretty cool...THAT is the shock of the year (besides the one Elle got in the tub! HA!) Kudos to me, I predicted the HRG death and resurrection by CLaire's blood, my first major "Isaac" moment. Is it just me or is Elle suddenly questioning her Dad? He is a piece of crap, and I think Adam is ultimately going to be a VERY gray character, wrong to kill the original 12, but right on in trying to stop the virus...if they do stop him in episode 12, it will turn out to be the disaster predicted...in stopping him they release the virus...and Nathan, who is not a regenerator, will contract the virus from virus carrier Adams's blood. GREAT EPISODE!!! reddot
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Tonight's episodes was good. They seem to be picking up the pieces quite nicely. I'm glad to see the change in pacing and the acceleration in development as we approach the finale.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:37 am    Post subject: plot hole schmot hole... Does tha make any sense? Reply with quote

Everybody is some damn busy analyzing the show that they think they are writers. All we are is viewers with imagination. Would the show be great if we were randomly selected to pariticipate, sure. I think that would be an awesome idea. But.... to not give credit to the writers and the plot development. Listen, be patient young grasshoppers, for Kwai Chang Kane once thought he knew what he wanted. So did "neo" in the Matrix. Maybe "we" just understand the Matrix and all these gaps have a purpose. (just like Hiro not changing the past, but learning from it.) Leave the gaps where they are so that they may be filled. Pick them out, but don't pick them and try to treat them without the proper knowledge. Afterall, juxtaposition and opinion mean nothing - what we need are facts, and it seems people commonly juxtapose 'fact' for 'opinion'; however false the 'observed ocurrence may appear to lead to fact.

Think about it.

Ok, somebody give me a Tylenol. (or Elle could shock me, whatever is easier.) Honestly, I prefer shock treatment.

arrrrgh.........
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knew HRG would get shot and be healed.

So.. Bob used up his blood supply to save HRG rather than Niki?

Either Mohinder forced him, or he did it as his only play to get HRG back into good graces to get him in line to get Claire into the company. Dunno, that's a long shot.

I was hoping for a redeeming episode for West..

And Elle is going to be a very loose cannon from now on.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, this was a great episode.

I couldn't believe MOH shot HRG. Wow.

I would have thought HRG telling Moh thanks, would give him a little compassion not to hurt HRG...but I guess not.

and great line for HRG when he healed and woke up on the table...just like claire...

"what the....!

hehehe cool

Now that things are caught up...sort of..we can move forward. no more Hiro searching the past...no more Nikki dying (since they have the blood). And no more searchin for claire. And good to see matt can get his answers by force now. What has he become? wow.

Good EP.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nikki is still dying - they used the blood on HRG....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yawn.

havent seen ep 9 yet, cant wait!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If all powers reach Level 2 - Like Matt - Wht would have been DL's Level 2. Phasing right through the COre???
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