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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ando tells Hiro his father has been murdered so I'd say he definitely saw the killer going over the edge with Kaito.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can anyone explain why adam/kensei hasn't aged one bit....perhaps he has the same powers as peter and absorbed hiro's powers to come to the future......i believe bob did say after all that he was the most dangerous one of them all.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooooooohhhhh yeah

Awesome episode. Just when I was Losing interest heroes managed to stump me with this blinder of an Epi.

Too bad wish Mr. Sylar was in it attention attention attention

I still think Peter Jumped Kaito and i really hope Im wrong.

Cheers arrow Im goin to watch this epi again!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wasnt peter in cork when kaito got killed?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Etticat wrote:
I dont think Ando could have walked in to see the killer if the killer were in Kaito's mind, much like Mohinder did not see D L in Nicki's Mind........... I think the Killer was actually there not one of Maury's Dreams.


You could be right, but at the same time, would it have been difficult for Maury to have put Ando into the same dream that Kaito was having? Surely not, he did the same thing with Molly and Matt in ep 7.

As for the person who attacked Kaito (presuming it's not a dream) being in a nightmare himself, it's plausible. Too bad we'll probably never know for sure. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really think we are in the wrong thread for this, but, that would still leave the original question of who it was, or was it a dream, Ando was the third person there, so, Maury Brain whacked some killer, Brain whacked Kaito and Brain whacked Ando to be an Eye witness ? OR, Brain whacked Ando and Kaito then a Dream Killer was created in both minds? OR Brain whacked Kaito alone and he did a backflip with an imaginary Ando in the peanut gallery. I think there can be many combinations and theories here...............

all i was doing was answering a question for someone who asked it i related only what was shown on television.

now, my idea is that it was actually Kensei who killed Kaito for the personal satisfaction of causing Hiro Pain.

and as far as us never really knowing, i agree with you.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if we're following the timeline correctly, Hiro's broken time, because he's caused some damage to the whole Kensei legend.

After all, without his meddling, Kensei would have eventually become the hero that was known about in the stories. However, because Hiro got involved, Kensei has now sworn to take everything that Hiro holds dear, and destroy it. Kaito is Hiro's father, and obviously someone that Hiro would hold as a dear loved one. Who else would Kensei target? And why would Kaito least expect Kensei, the legend and hero? Because in the stories, Kensei was good, kind, and well.. Heroic! To stoop to killing others? That's just not the legendary Kensei, no matter what way you look at it.

So I'm on the boat that it's Kensei that killed Kaito, and it's for personal revenge that the killings are now taking place. Kensei's disrupting everything that Hiro now knows about in order to exact his revenge against him. Plain and simple.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JORM, I do think the Legend of Kensei will still be told exactly as it was before, the Princess so loved Hiro that she tried to ease his pain for ruining history by recording "history", the way Hiro told it to her. that way the heroics and legend remain the same, it was always in dispute as to wether the legend was factual or fictional according to Kaitos web site ,this puts in place the horrible irony in which Hiros inspiration for being good, is the Evil that will really haunt him and he has to now oppose

this being all , IMHO.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: . Reply with quote

Well, now that I think about it, there is actually one way we might find out for sure who killed Kaito/how he was killed. What if Hiro goes into the past to try and save his father? If he goes to stop it from happening, we should get some confirmation of what went on.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AdMeister, that would definitely be an opportunity to make the painting of Hiro and Kensei fighting come true again! Good idea!

........If it was Kensei ..............
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasnt Kaito Killed Before they showed Peter in Ireland????
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that is the order it was shown in..........
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great episode 7 !!!
I still wonder what Kaito needed to tell so urgently to Hiro in ep 1 before he was killed....
Any thoughts ? I guess that maybe he wanted to warn Hiro about changing the past ? I hope the next eps uncover the mystery (before the "finale" in Dec. 3rd.......)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: . Reply with quote

admeister wrote:


Also, HeroAddict said that if it were Adam, Kaito wouldn't have been surprised. I disagree since Adam was supposed to be buried, Kaito would not have been expecting to see him again! It was obviously meant to be a permanent burial.

Something else that hasn't been said is the interesting fact that Hiro currently has Kensei/Adam's sword. Seeing as Adam has been alive these past 400 years, it makes me wonder why he let the sword be taken by Linderman. Perhaps Linderman took it after he got sealed away? Or maybe Adam gave it to him as a gift.

One way or another, imagine the look on Adam's face when he sees Hiro with the sword. Smile There was also an interesting time paradox when Hiro went back in time at the end of Season 1, both he and Kensei were carrying the exact same sword, and were both using the same sword in the fight they had! It's like some kind of time cloning! Very Happy Interestingly, Kensei didn't notice this.


First of all Ad, Adam wasn't buried prior to Kaito's death, he was in prison. Supposedly according to spoilers adam will be buried after volume 2 as the only way to "kill" him ... But the same principal applies that Adam may surpri