As to plotholes or lameness of the finale, I found it very entertaining, and my personal rationalizations for why this happened include a lot of the same conclusions as Duderino, and also... it's television, often highly awesome television, but TV nonetheless. They didn't show a big P/S showdown probably because either they didn't have the budget or time for that level of CGI. Nathan responded to Claire's line despite the fact that realistically he couldn't have heard it, because it makes for a good stand up and cheer moment as Nathan redeems himself. Etc.
As I said before, this is just my response, the people who found the final disappointing, I'm not saying "I'm right, you're wrong" because we all have different tastes and sensibilities. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the final as much as I did, hopefully Heroes will be back to form next season.
Also regarding Sylar into the sewer: Yeah a bit odd that noone noticed his descent, but looking at the blood tracks, it looks like something else dragged him. If he had used TK the blood wouldn't have been as smeared, if he physically moved himself the trail wouldn't have been as even and straight.
Finally I agree with the above posters who suggested that Kensei looked like Kaito, you can totally see it in the eyes! Question to any Japanese/Linguistic scholars out there: would Hiro be able to converse easily with people in 17th Century Japan? I know the English language has changed a fair amount over that time period, and I would assume Japanese has as well, but then again, it is TV...
next..claire hasnt killed anyone? dont you remember her face/acting when she put the peddle to the metal to kill that one guy.. in the car? yea..he tried to rape her, basically killed her etc...BUT SHE DID IT WITHOUT EVEN CARING...she WANTED him dead
so dont tell me lil ol claire was THAT freaked with shooting peter...she had the ENTIRE DAY to think about it....the entirrrre day= "ok, if peter begins to go BOOM, i have to shoot him" i think it was BS etc
Deftones, THAT is an excellent point, and now that you bring it up, it bothers me too.
I have only one answer in Claire's defense. In the quarterback's case, she was defending herself. Basically, she did not want to "out" herself, she did not want anyone to find about her ability.
In this case, it has to do with her uncle, the same man who saved her life, a man who she has some feelings for.
So, I believe it's a case of "amount" or "level". Still, I am glad you bring that point-up, because as character development goes, it is a shortcoming the way they wrote it.
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if you rewatch the eps (like i have many many many times) sylar has alotttttttttttttttttttttttt of time to do ANYTHING to hiro when he runs at him (time is not slowed, stopped or ANYTHING)
at first i was like "well, maybe time slowed down" NOPE! doesnt happen....btw earlier in the eps sylar WANTED hiro to use more than teleportation (so he could figure out how it worked, thus it wouldnt work on him anymore) he goes "FREEZE TIME HIRO!" (when he's holding ando with TK)
Hopefully, the writers will pick my question to answer, because, this has been bothering me also. So, I went over to Comic Book Resources and asked a question of the writers for next week's issue of "Behind the Eclipse" segment they do.
Maybe, they'll explain HOW, Hiro managed to stab Sylar.......
I just found this web site....I'm new here
Anyways, I think the finale was very good, however, I have to agree that some things didn't make sense. If Claire did shoot Peter, the radiation would have went away, just like it did when Peter "fainted." Then, Peter could have absorbed Claire's powers and he could have healed himself, just like he did in the episode where he saved Claire from Sylar. What was the point of Nathan possibly killing himself and Peter??? If Peter was around Claire, he could have healed himself. Could someone please give me a logical explanation for this? Also, why was Claire supposedly the only one who could stop Peter from exploding? Even though I was a little disappointed in the finale, I still love the show and can't wait 'till next year! :
I guess in my opinion, the more I think about it, the more I realize that all they really needed was a hammer or even a bat. One strong blow to the head would have easily knocked him out. There would have also been less of a chance of killing him, compared to a bullet going straight through his head which would have killed him forever.
Moral of the story - he may lose some brain cells, but all you have to do is hit a radioactive man in the head with a wooden bat, hard enough to knock him out
Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: they could have done it better
What bugs me is that they could have dealt with Peter's explosion so much better than they did. When Claire was afraid to shoot Peter, I was thinking, "Shoot him, stupid, he can regenerate". She's killed herself often enough, and her character been consistently brave throughout the season. There was no suspsense. I wasn't worried for a second that he might actually blow up.
So why didn't they just lose the gun? Have it misfire or fall in the gutter when Sylar tosses Bennett. Then Peter and Claire's whole plan is screwed, see, and the audience is thinking, "Crap, he might actually blow up", and then Nathan swoops in and saves the day--a grand act of redemption and salvation. The way they did it, his big moment seems like a pointless waste. Bad climax.
I love this show, but it's been going downhill lately. I've been getting so annoyed by all the sloppy writing that I've started a forum to discuss all the plot holes and other flaws that have been cropping up towards the end of the season: www.heroesdefects.com. If you're as irritated as I am, come vent.
Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: Re: they could have done it better
heroesdefects wrote:
What bugs me is that they could have dealt with Peter's explosion so much better than they did. When Claire was afraid to shoot Peter, I was thinking, "Shoot him, stupid, he can regenerate". She's killed herself often enough, and her character been consistently brave throughout the season. There was no suspsense. I wasn't worried for a second that he might actually blow up.
I thought that at first, but as Action had pointed out in another thread, I think the whole point of Claire shooting Peter in the head was to put him down forever, and that he would never be able to regenerate or explode ever again (by destroying the whole, or part of his brain), which is why she was so upset about doing it, and which is why Nathan came in to save the day so that he could die in place of his brother. The writers should have hinted to that a little more in my opinion.
I agree with heroesdefects. That would have been a logical, suspenseful ending. But even if Peter got shot in the head, he still could of regenerated if the bullet was taken out, right? The more I think about it, the more I realize it was a very stupid ending. Nathan says, "You saved the cheerleader, now I'm going to save the world." But couldn't Claire have stopped Peter? It annoys me. Also, how would Peter still be alive if Claire isn't there and he can't think about her to regenerate? I think the writers could have done a lot better job on the last three episodes.
Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:54 am Post subject: Re: they could have done it better
popkorn615 wrote:
as Action had pointed out in another thread, I think the whole point of Claire shooting Peter in the head was to put him down forever, and that he would never be able to regenerate or explode ever again (by destroying the whole, or part of his brain)
It's possible. The way that brain damage "kills" Peter and Claire hasn't been spelled out. But on the other hand, it's not clear that a bullet in the brain would permanently kill him any more than the stick killed Claire or the glass killed Peter. It's certainly not obvious to the audience, judging by all the postings, and Claire never said anything indicating that she thought that it would, e.g. "But then you won't be able to regenerate". So, maybe that's what the writers had in mind, but if so, they didn't make that clear at all, which is a problem in itself. And given the sloppiness of the writing (lately) in other cases, I'm not even prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. Bottom line: it seriously impacted my enjoyment of the season finale, and I don't think that I'm the only one.
I just watched the final scene again and this is what I think:
Nathan realized that Claire couldn't shoot Peter; that's why he told Claire she didn't have to shoot him. It was very hard for Claire to shoot Peter even if he could regenerate because he was very close to her. She probaly figured something might go wrong. Nathan then stopped Peter himself by flying away with him. The only problem with this is why didn't Nathan just take the gun and shoot Peter? If I am right, then the writers should have made this more clear.
why didn't Nathan just take the gun and shoot Peter
Because then there would have been no great redemption, just a guy saving the world by (possibly) killing his brother. Sorry for the sarcasm; it's a good point and makes me wonder again why they didn't spare us the agony of second guessing the whole scene by just getting rid of the gun.
nathan goes "peter...u saved the cheerleader...so WE WE WE WE could save the world"
now..at the time, peter is going to go BOOOM...so wouldnt nathan say "so i can save the world" (meaning...u saved claire..to give me heart)
negative... (although i DO think saving her did in part help nathan make that split decision) point is go back and watch it..the WAY he says it
"u saved the cheerleader so WE could save the world"
i think nathan knows/thinks he will die..and in saving the cheerleader, peter can heal/survive, and thus go on to save others, and the world (this is through nathan's eyes/assumptions by the way)
so nathan "so WE can save the world" nathan dies meaning him, and peter lives too, so they BOTH do something...
yea, it was gooood theory i forgot who it was but it was about when nikki first sees peter and sylar fight "hmm...2 guys fighting..i'll think i'll hit THIS one" was the best analogy i've heard in this entire thread...RE WATCH EVERY EPS!!! THATS EXACLTY WHAT HAPPENS!!!
"wowza...2 guys with powers" (ok remember earlier when her and dl were like "WOW NO ONE CAN DO WHAT WE DO") so for 1, she freaked out on candice i bet...having a power etc...dude..theres just NO way she went out, husband bleeding, barely escaping linderman's henchmen etc...
"oh wow, 2 guys with powers, this one just grabbed a parking meter with his mind..i have to fight him" thats BSSSSSSSSSS if anything! grrr so upset...but at the same time..
"this is how he saw me die!? STABBED BY A SILLY LITTLE MAN!?!?" too many good hiro+ando parts...
oh yea, and whomever brought up not having the gun..GOOD idea...maybe if sylar melted the gun...or the gun misfired...all was lost etc.... YES that woulda been AWESSSSSSSSSSSSOME
claire= the only hope...(so we think...ala the movie JEDI RETURNS FROM STAR WARS...where we assume luke is the one to balance the force...but its ANAKIN!) i know its a stretch but..we think
"ahh saving the cheerleader..she can save peter.."
*gun misfires*
"well then what the heck was the point!?!"
*nathan swoops down....swayed by the cheerleader's speech*
"aahhhh NOW i get it!"
(woulda been great)
but now i know...nathan knew peter would heal..and "WE save the world" means..nathan dies, saves lives...peter lives on to save others etc..
I have been SO into this show but the last episode was a disappointment, riddled with narrative inconsistances. A whole season building to a climactic battle between good and evil embodied in Peter and Sylar. Two SUPER superheroes that have dozens, if not tens of dozens of powers between them and instead, peter punches sylar 3 times, thug-style. If I'd wanted Sopranos, I'd have watched Sopranos. And then Hiro appears and runs 10 feet towards a man that can stop speeding bullets and manages to stab him? Come on! You spent a year developing fantastic SUPERpowered Characters! USE THEM!!! Kring and Co were geniuses in creating a storyline of literally limitless possibilities and then squndered it by utilizing NONE of them.
I'll watch next season but I hope they can redeem what up till a few minutes ago was a REALLY good show.
Zilibabwe, I had the exact same impression of the last scene... COME ON PEEPS< lets see some serious superpower action, it was very anticlimactic, we should have seen sylar using his super hearing and people all getting crazy with their freaky stuff, but no, the all stand around and take turns hitting each other until Nathan shows up, calmly, and ends all the fun.
If I was Sylar, and unless I had been training in Professor Xavier's school for the gifted for like 10 years on how to use my powers, I'd have a hard time putting on an "impressive superpowered fight" to IMPRESS all you folks.....
As for Peter...well, I think he was a bit distracted. Where the hell is Claude when you need him to just punch you on the jaw and say in that delightfully british accent of his:
"Weeeell, It's a start....!"
PS. Even to the end, for all his sociopathic tendencies, Sylar, might have actually harbored some delusions of grandeur, AS IN, "Hey, if I stop Peter Petrelli from exploding and destroying NYC, I will be a Hero and not a murderer..."
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