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Payquage · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject:

The finale - especially the showdown at the end - had some logical problems and cases of melodrama trumping reason, but the show has had these from time to time throughout the season. They bug me, but I've learned to ignore them, for the most part, to enjoy the show. The finale had more than its share, but I still enjoyed it overall.

Linderman · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject:

Okie. My 1st Post.

This Last Episode was awesome. Heroes is the first primetime TV show I've watched since the X-files switched out Mulder for the Liquid Metal Terminator guy.

A lot of posters here are disappointed with Sylar & Peter's Fight, But I think it's consistent with the Writers' vision for the show. I mean, The show relys on a lot more from its characters than just classic comic book style good vs. evil fighting crap. That's what makes this show sooo much cooler than Buffy, Lois & Clark, Smallville etc.

If the Last episode of season one was just Peter & Sylar using all of there powers one after another on each other, it would be Corny. Sylar being the arrogant prick that he is, didn't feel threatened enough to whip out all his powers: He even Says "You think you can kill ME?" Also if he did feel threatened & used his full power Sylar would win in about 3 seconds. So what the writers did instead was make it so All the heroes have to team up against him. Ultimately they Win against Sylar only because he Underestimated them as a team. This fits with the season-long theme of having these people work together to save the world. Which brings me to...

"How could Hiro get so close to Sylar?"
First of all, Sylar was distracted & Busy dealing with Nikki, Parkman's Bullets, and Peter, and simply was doing too many things at once. Secondly, Hiro teleported there and Sylar only recognized him a split-second before Hiro ganked him. When Sylar saw his own death in Isaacs comic book he laughed about it. And finally, Hiro's failed attempt to kill Sylar before led Sylar to beleive Hiro was incapable of killing him.

"How could they not see Sylar escape into the sewer?"
Okay. This one is Obvious. They're looking (all of them) at the giant explosion in the sky. The Cockroach is a reference to Ep1 when Mohinder postulates in a genetics lecture that God is a Cockroach because of their ability to survive. Not to mention that a Second season of this show without Sylar would suck.

Who is "worse than the Boogeyman?"
I think she is refering to Peter, & the emminent destruction of New York, and the Millions of lives that would end. This would explain why "He" could see Molly (Peter's Absorb Ability) Also, Sylar getting away at the end is evidence that Sylar will be the primary villain in the second season. This leads me to beleive they weren't trying to introduce some new super-villain, But were using Molly's power to indicate that Sylar & Peter are both outside the building at this time.

whew.

Now my Loose end Question: The only Painting by Isaac that Didn't come true was the Paintinig of Micah engulfed in flames: What gives?

Linderman.

Luke Starkiller · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject:

And btw, Hiro can manipulate time for those who forgot Razz

He just stopped time and stabbed Sylar... that's it. What could Sylar have done to stop it in exactly 0.0000 seconds?

heroesrocks · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject:

What about Claire's dad's name, "Noah". Think that has a part to come in next season?

deftonesdea · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject:

i agree with like alllllll your points..

i rewatched the eps today

hiro teleports to sylar...sylar turns...and faces hiro (this is for like...seconds upon seconds) hiro basically SAYS "IM GOING TO CHARGE U WITH THIS SWORD NOW!" (he doesnt say it, but he takes SOOOO much time, he could have!)

point is......theres like NO way sylar could not have stopped him. Sylar either thought hiro wasnt going to go through with it, or...he WANTED TO GET STABBED

there were mistakes all around but..

as far as the save the cheerleader, save the world stuff....

by saving the cheerleader, peter heals aft er going boom...and thus with his many powers can save the world. (nathan i think even says that) like.... "you saved the cheerleader...so WE can save the world" meaning...nathan sacrifices himself, no BOOM, and peter lives to save others. If he said "so I could save the world" that'd mean he just meant he's going to stop the bomb, not killing people... theres a HUGGGGE difference from "WE" and "I"

candice not showing her true form when knocked out= weak

mohinder= medic to everyone getting shot= weak

DL shot in the gut, yet moving through a building....walks around etc= weak

EVERYTHING WITH HIRO WAS AWESOME IN THIS SHOW (yea, even him stabbing sylar, even though when u see it again, its RIDICULOUS)

look at the reaction time from stopping matt's bullets, and hiro...sylar= NOT EVEN FACING MATT WHEN HE SHOOTS! and he stops them... hiro teleports in front of sylar (WHILE SYLAR IS FACING HIM!) and he IS like 10+ feet away...if u look at it..im getting more and more into the sylar WANTED to get stabbed or something

having claire go out there and say "there has to be another way!"= weak

didnt she say that in COMPANY MAN?!

it was just SOOOO weak...u should've not even brought claire into the last scene, because..YES she coulda just shot him, she was acting as though the bullet was going to kill him FOREVER! like "noooo i cant do it! there hassss to be another way!" = WEAK WEAK WEAK

molly "plz dont die officer parkman! YOU'RE MY HIRO!" (hero)= one of my fav parts (yea...i got emo)

oh yea and the ando part where he's like "NOOO dont take my brain!" sylar= "why the heck what i want YOUR brain!?"

and then "HAHAHHA are u kidding me!? is this how isaac thought i'd die!? BY A SILLY LITTLE MAN!?" wow...i was CRACKIN up....it was truly another one of my FAVVVV parts

and of course the "hiro...you look bad ass" ANDO!!!!!

yea, how did nathan know where everyone was at?

oh and peter taking hours from the "OMG I CANT CONTROL IT!" to when he actually explodes... that part= weak

i thought it was cool with peter and hiro "u have to kill me hiro"

then sylar, with his last strength, flings hiro away

oh yea and "GO AHEAD AND FREEZE TIME!" i think he wanted hiro to do it....so he could once again try to "figure out how it works" i dont think he'd gain the ability but perhaps be immune =]

one thing that made me real angry was nikki....she just jumps in to help peter WHY!? she has NOOOO idea about ANY of these people!! it was just soooo horrible

matt trying to "shoot" sylar by himself!?! HE'S FACED SYLAR BEFORE (kinda!)
he's SHOT sylar before,(and seen him get up etc!) he's seen frozen bodies, he's been around mohinder AND NOAH bennet NOAH bennet NOAH bennet (oops sorry hehe) he wants to shoot him with a gun?!?

its like they just wanted everyone there at one time for drama.

there was just TOO much stuff that was kinda BS, and used for drama "you're the only one claire!" why? nikki coulda went over to Noah Bennet, grabbed the gun, shoot peter......oh but .."claire's the only one" right? pfft

hey what the heck...i have to go back to the graphic novel but...why didnt peter recognize nikki when he broke her out of jail in the future? blah blah ur gonna give me some crap about how he forgot/things changed etc...

i really enjoyed the episode though heh....i hated the mr devoux part though, it was cool to watch but...in the finale? i didnt mind mr devaux+ mrs petrelli...the "betting on the wrong brother" speech

oh yea, and it was cool the camera effect ...right before we see that its PETER glowing...the camera angle= makes u think its sylar at first...AND he's smiling like "muhaha time to use ted's power" but its PETER! and sylar is smiling because he knows PETER is the "boom"

HIIIIIRRRROOOOO ANNNDOOOOOOO

.Vault · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject:

Linderman · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject:

MAYBE Nathan Petrelli Knows where everyone is because his Mom tells him that Linderman's Dead. He's the one that told DL/Nikki where to find Linderman. So he assumes that the Heroes trying to stop the bomb had a hand in Lindermans death....

Claire's little morality speech to Nathan & his Mom causes Nathan to feel Guilty enough to turn good & stop the bomb. Also after Claire jumps out the window Ma Patrelli says "you know what you must do" meaning he might just use his flying powers to follow claire to the plaza. As for how Claire knew that it was all going down at the plaza, your guess is as good as mine, but remember Peter almost went nuclear beforein the same place....maybe she was just desperate to meet back up with Peter & went there by chance, remembering that time before when Peter almost blew up...Or maybe when Claire hears Linderman is dead from Ma Petrelli she assumes that the other Heroes had something to do with it and then runs there...

But what about that Damn Painting of Micah in a burning room?!

Zilibabwei · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:

Linderman · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject:

Hercules67 · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:

Zilibabwei · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject:

sami · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject:

I thought of the P Peter absorbing Now Peter's abilities.

But I don't believe it was a travel in time thing since HRG rouses him out of the "Dream"

It's alot more like the dreaming power that Mohinder experienced in India.

Dudderino · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject:

Hiro looks really intense when he is charging and isn't a complete moron so I think it is safe to say that he was slowing time down while charging. During the standoff, earlier in the episode with sylar, ando and hiro, it was established that Hiro was unsure if he could take the full time he needs to stop time before sylar could do something. Understandably he tries a different strategy in this confrontation and charges sylar which wouldn't really alarm sylar until hiro slowed time enough that he couldn't react. I thought the fact that Hiro slowed time was fairly obvious as this is the only way he would have been able to impale sylar without him so much as flenching away before being struck, instead of casually waving hiro aside with TK. I guess they should have cut to a shot of Sylar just begining to react in slow motion or maybe flash a big message over the image indicating that Hiro is slowing time down for those who might think the slowed motion was done for dramatic effect,

As for the rest of the fight and aftermath, Bennets arm/shoulder got hurt when thrown by TK, you see him struggling to lift the gun let alone point it. Parker gets there when Peter is getting choked and does the only thing he could do shoot at sylar, which worked to some extent durring there first meeting earlier in the season when Sylar's TK was not as strong as now. Sylar is avoiding the use of Ted's power on peter as he still hopes to cut his head open and steal his power. Sylar is playing it smart and keeping Peter stationary and occupied using his less developed TK to fight against sylar's TK stranglehold, this way peter will not be able to dissapear on ylar. Meanwhile bashing him will allow sylar to observe the healing power and determine if something like injuring Peter before cutting his head will give him time to cut it open. He likely doesn't attempt to freeze peter since his brain world not be working for sylar to understand it. Peter, at the start has only a weaker TK ability as a weapon, since he does not dare use ted's power. Peter hasn't gotten Hiro's power to work since the train(hey its a hard power) and Peter's invisibility, flight, and mind reading abilities, his only advantage are useless if Sylar holds him still as he did, having already seen invisibility. The new Nikki should be able to see that Parker was hurt by sylar through the glass doors and will have been told about the need for them to get away because of sylar by mohinder on their way out of the building. So yes, she would have a reason to step in on the fight.

The different actions and timing of interactions of Hiro and Ando with sylar then in the other timeline, the conflict between Peter and Sylar which sets off peter as the bomb would not occur at the same time.

Also have you guys not watched all of the episodes where everyone was paranoid about Ted possibly becoming a Nuke if shot? Claire shooting him and hopefully lodging a bullet in the part of his brain that keeps the healing from happening is not a full proof plan, Nathan's was.

SuperBoot96 · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: