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AcidBurn133
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Haha, true - whoever watches those tapes is going to be like "huh?!"
Heh, there's a sign for Negro Modelo, too - we sell a lot of that where I work 
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| She was affected by it. In fact, you even hear a sound effect when his power is depleted. The moment the sword comes down, you hear a "swoosh", Sylar looks up, and his mom falls. |
She wasn't effected by the "lapse" in his power as some of you say Sylar was. Which is what I was referring to. His mom falls after Hiro and Ando teleport out, not depleted and thereby no longer making his power effective in that room. |
Murph, you're wrong. Rewatch the episode. I'm watching it now as I type. Sylar's mom gets stabbed (accidentally, I think), starts to fall and Hiro stops time. He walks up to Sylar, lines up his swing and when he pulls back the sword, you can see when he loses concentration. He's overcome with emotion over the idea of taking a life. Time starts again, Sylar turns to him and and his mom finishes her fall...she hits the floor immediately after Sylar catches Hiro's sword. Hiro and Sylar "talk" and THEN Ando enters the room and they teleport out.
Sylar's catching the sword supports a pet theory of mine that Sylar has some kind of toughened skin (from someone he killed off camera.) I've never believed the idea that Sylar had some kind of permanent telekinetic bubble around him to stop bullets. If he had used PK to stop Hiro's sword, he would have just stopped it...the same as Mohinder's bullet. He caught the blade! With his hand! You just don't catch a sharpened sword unless you feel like losing 4 fingers.
Both times he's been shot (by Matt and HRG) he was surprised. No time to put up shields or catch bullets. I'd say the skin was tough enough that bullets wouldn't fully penetrate, but they still hurt and had knock down force. That also explains the sound of bullets falling when Sylar stood up after Matt shot him. It also explains his surviving the fall at Claire's school. He was just dazed. When Sylar got up, he thought Peter was dead and was probably worried about getting caught, so he took off.
BTW, in response to your previous post, Future Hiro said his powers didn't work when the Haitian was around, not Sylar. Again, rewatch the episode.
Another great episode. I especially loved the room-wide snow globe scene. It gives a different take on Sylar. Do you think the writer's intent was to make us think of Superman putting on his Clark Kent identity when Sylar visited his mom? |
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
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New Poster here, so bear with me...
**Hiro's powers appear to be much more "management intensive." He actually has to focus them on something, such as a point in time, or he should be, otherwise he will end up elsewhere in time. Moreover, he needed an 'object' perhaps more than anything just to convince himself worthy of said powers and protect himself, not to actually USE them, otherwise it would be the sword which has the powers, or activates the powers. It would be a good fail safe, should Sylar get to him.
**How could Sylar grab Claire's powers? The only known way to slow down Peter or Claire is the location at the base of the skull, which only temporarily deactivates them, and doesn't kill them...unless you also ripped their brains out, or decapitated them. Both only theories. So with that said...
If Sylar is alive in the future, Claire MUST be dead for Sylar to be the bomb, or Sylar would die, wouldn't he? If Sylar is dead, and the bomb goes off, then it's Ted or Peter, of which Ted maybe dead, but Peter isn't.
**It makes sense it COULD be Peter, since his already somewhat harmless powers put him into a many-day coma. What would absorbing such a violent power on top of other unmanagable powers do? What Claire SHOULD do is stun Peter, say with the Tranq they did with Ted, then let him absorb. Invisible dude taught Peter he has to FOCUS on the person to activate and control it. Evidently Peter isn't doing that, and is only AFRAID of what he is doing.
**Is it possible that Sylar gets Ted and in the process he detonates Ted? In the Five Years Ahead skit, he had his power, which would indicate Ted should be dead.
**It's also possible that b/c it's their power, they're immune to its effects, NO matter how big, and that Sylar gains the shape-shifting ability, mimics Peter, frames him as public enemy #1 and then vies for the Presidency. He did say he wanted it, which should be some Foreshadowing of his desire to kill miss shapeshifter.
**Anyone else think mohinder to be a pawn? I mean...he not only cures the girl who can find the heroes, just like XMEN, but they also have the blood disease which INHIBITS a heroes' power, so that if they COULD inject Sylar, he would die, or at least be normal until cured. That's a double whammy, that he didn't realize is a byproduct.
**Micah appears, from the preview, to provide some sort of SHIELD or FORCEFIELD. It looked as if the bomb goes off, and everyone in that building is saved because he has a power of protection. Has he indicated such a power in previous episodes I missed? I've never seen it, but for a 10 year old, he does remakably well.
**I think the bomb has to go off, who it is, I don't know. Unless there's a BIGGER plan in place, that MIGHT get botched up, such as Nathan becoming president, while Sylar gets the ability to copy him and rule, too.
**The future isn't necessarily the future, with all the time travel, who knows what things have been altered. How close to the comics are we? Are people just playing into what's happening because of faith? But faith in who or what? I think Season 2 should or will delve deeper into what plans were arranged before this new crop of heroes came into their power. Remember, Claire's grandmom KNEW about the madness going on, as if there was a worldwide struggle BEFORE the season we're in. PLUS, Linderman has been around awhile, and he referenced friends who he'd worked with, too. So something was brewing before this plot, it just seems that the the first go around, say the PREQUEL to this season went one way...where they learned what didn't work...and now, they're doing it another way with this crop of heroes.
**If Linderman has these paintings, is it possible a painter of Isaacs nature has always been around, and so has Linderman? Just b/c Isaac is dead, doesn't mean someone in time with the same ability doesn't exist, or hasn't existed, and maybe all the paintings or art is just that, a foretellling of the future, and Linderman is a caretaker of that, despite what people think of him. Heck, if you examine Claire's dad, through many of the episodes, you wouldn't know he was good. And I'd never seen Ted turning into a mini hero, one who is like Pyro from XMEN who is tempted by both sides because of his past. Even Sylar is the same way, until now that is. They need evil, and Sylar fits that perfectly. Unless Linderman and company turn out to be even worse than we know, Sylar stays where he is, like Magneto, a rogue of sorts who just wants to kill those with abilities who don't appreciate them.
I like Sylar, and I like his Character, and the Actor who plays him.
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Big post. Welcome aboard...the board. Let me hit a couple:
1. Future Sylar got Claire's power by locking her arms & legs in place with PK and sawing open her head. Even though she can heal, if he continues cutting, he can get the skull off and scoop out the brain. Sylar would have gotten Peter the same way (in Mohinder's apartment) if Peter hadn't used his own PK push to stop him. They can only heal so fast.
2. In the current timeline (the one visited last week,) Sylar was public enemy #1. Though I'm uncertain if everyone thought he was dead. The real Nathan framed him to protect Peter. This was probably a wonderful irony for Sylar when he assumed Nathan's identity. Of course, Hiro and Ando are changing the timeline by their actions.
3. OT, does anyone else think the actor who plays Sylar could play a young Spock in a revision of Star Trek TOS? |
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| I really liked this episode. I'm a big fan of Sylar and I was glad they went into a backstory for him because it shows just how damaged he is. He's still insane, but it seems like he doesn't really want to do as much damage as he's capable of doing. I thought this episode added a lot more dimension to his character. |
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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From what we've seen in the last ep + 5 years gone - It seems to make sense that Peter will have a falling out with his bro and mom. If he ends up being the bomb, as he was in 5 years gone, or if he is near it, then maybe they think he dies. This would account for Peter never having a chance to read future Sylar/Nathan's mind.
If Sylar can somehow take the powers of Candice and Nathan, and the following die (Linderman, Mama Petrelli) then Sylar could easily become President without any strings attached. He would only need to figure out how to manage Parkman and the Haitian.
I still want to know how the Haitian and Papa Nakamura fit into everything.
Also, I don't see Sylar wanting to blow up if he thinks it will kill him (as Isaac seems to have convinced). I'm also confused by Sylar thinking the bomb would kill him after his meeting with Isaac whereas the comic book by Isaac that Hiro has seems to predict something else.
Hiro's has a comic book from the future that was unfinished. Present day Isaac finished all of the comic books and got them off to the dealer. He then told Sylar that he was late. SO- what will happen to/in the present day 9th Wonder's comics that the dealer has. AND - will they be any different then what Hiro got from the future (as I imagine they would because they are finished).
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Did i misunderstand Five Years Gone? I dont think i did. There are a lot of people still stating that Peter was the bomb for that timeline, i think i heard Pete and Sylars conversation correctly, Sylar told Pete that they were the only ones that knew the truth and that Sylar was really the Bomb not Pete. |
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to take up the evidence shown to us in this episode of how Peter absorbs powers.
As we can see towards the end of the episode when his hands start glowing like Ted's, Peter just needs to be around the person to absorb their powers. This confirms what some people believed that the powers don't have to be in use to be absorbed.
What strikes me now as odd is why did Peter immediately display Ted's power? He still hasn't shown us for example any of the abilities he recently picked up from Sylar like super hearing or metal melting nor has he ever shown the ones picked up at Homecoming like super memory or freezing ability. None of those have shown up "subconsciously" as Ted's ability did yesterday!
And for the person asking about Parkman's power, Peter can ALREADY read minds. He got it from Parkman back when he was in lock up after Homecoming. Why hasn't he used it again when he's used most other powers?! I don't know!!! |
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Peter should also have Eden's powers, as Eden waws there with Mohinder when Peter went to "visit" him
Only certain powers does Peter show right away (Isaac's painting ability, regeneration out of necessity, invisibility)...while TK he pulled out of his brain after working with Claude, and he had never displayed it before....so from that, we already knew that Peter absorbs powers just by being around someone (which leads me to believe he should have the Haitians powers as well, because the Haitian was in the hospital room with Peter)
It's just a matter of him realizes them, ot pull them out if he doesn't display them right when he acquires them (even then, he still doesn't seem to realize he has them...such as matt's mindreading ability, as he hasn't once tried to use it since the feedback incident) |
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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So Linderman gets his hands on Claire after all, the whole Mrs Petrilli being on Lindermans side blew a massive whole in my theroy that she was a memember of the group that split away from Lindermans all them years ago and that she was protecting Claire from him, so my new theory is that Linderman is actually Peters and Nathans real father and that there whole lives have been mapped out to this point by Linderman and Mrs Petrilli.
Also now we know it wasnt Claires mothers powers that Peter was using in the Final fight between him and Sylar in Ep 20 but Teds. Im also hoping there gonna work Peters scar into the story line somewhere because it looks like a slash scar caused by a sword  |
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Peter should also have Eden's powers, as Eden waws there with Mohinder when Peter went to "visit" him
Only certain powers does Peter show right away (Isaac's painting ability, regeneration out of necessity, invisibility)...while TK he pulled out of his brain after working with Claude, and he had never displayed it before....so from that, we already knew that Peter absorbs powers just by being around someone (which leads me to believe he should have the Haitians powers as well, because the Haitian was in the hospital room with Peter)
It's just a matter of him realizes them, ot pull them out if he doesn't display them right when he acquires them (even then, he still doesn't seem to realize he has them...such as matt's mindreading ability, as he hasn't once tried to use it since the feedback incident) |
Well i was gonna say that i think peter needed to b near the power when it was being used so he didnt get Edens power, but concidering he started going atomic has soon has he meet ted puts that theory to bed. |
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| Well... I have to say that it was a little bit like "WTH" to me when I saw Sylar worry about him killing a lot of innocent people... Come on! Sylar has killed a lot of innocent people in the past, including non special ones, and we can even see when he kill a man without feeling remorse of any kind (see the online comic), so it was a little bit odd to me... I'm sorry. Also his relationship with his mom was really believable, and it was one of the best things of the episode though. |
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| kitome wrote: |
| Well... I have to say that it was a little bit like "WTH" to me when I saw Sylar worry about him killing a lot of innocent people... Come on! Sylar has killed a lot of innocent people in the past, including non special ones, and we can even see when he kill a man without feeling remorse of any kind (see the online comic), so it was a little bit odd to me... I'm sorry. Also his relationship with his mom was really believable, and it was one of the best things of the episode though. |
He kinda explained that when he said that he "killed people that didn't deserve thie power". In his mind they were not innocent. I think Sylar viewed his mother as the epitome of innocence, and now that she is dead, he has no problem with torching NYC. |
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