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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And something that hasn't been discussed here (that I can see anyway) is that would decapitation be a permanent injury the healing power wouldn't recover from? The brain is the centre of that power, and without a body attached, it couldn't regenerate it.


That is correct - complete decapitation would sever the connection between the brain and the rest of the body, thus eliminating any chance to heal. So long as brain and body are kept separate, then regeneration would not work.

But alas, I propose this scenario. Let's say Hiro decapitated Sylar. Sylar's head is kept separate from his body for months... heck, years even. What would happen if years later, someone touched that severed head to the neck which it was cut from? Would Sylar's brain still be active - enough to "recognize" the body and begin healing automatically? (This goes for Claire and Peter too, of course). Hmm....
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe I've mentioned decapitation in several threads as a surefire cure for unwanted vitality.

If it worked on Viktor Kurgen....
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a few things....

yea, i was wondering about that graphic novel as well...the one where he stabs sylar, but he "seemingly" regenerates and goes BOOM right in front of hiro (im assuming teleports the heck out of there as it happens though) cuz in the graphic novel, it DOES seem like he stabs him, then immediately goes boom...

anyways...think about this..you're matt parkman, you're talking to the president who's giving a speech from faaaaar away (it shows you how far nathan flies kinda, and its MORE than a block thats for damn sure)

anyways...he "appears" instantly...seriously, he shows up RIGHT away, when nathan tells matt to "finish this" right before that he saw 2 things, nathan just "appear" right away (flying) even though he doesnt know he can fly (maybe he does) and THEN he sees him pull peter out of the room....TWO powers...matt doesnt even twitch, he looks mildly astonished. really, if you see the scene again, he doesnt really even care, his expression is more like "oh u want ME to go in the room" or "wow, ur gonna fight peter?" he doesnt seem like "wow! you can do that!?"
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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matt doesnt even twitch, he looks mildly astonished.


Yeah, but Matt isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. I suspect he got to where he is by what his brain can do, not by how he uses it.

In his defence, however, he sees all sorts of new powers probably on an almost daily basis. Maybe he is just used to seeing strange things, and it didn't click as to the source of the strange things.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea but has he ever seen someone use TWO powers!? doubtful...unless it was peter or sylar..that being said..

he's on the phone with the president whos at a speech, looked KINDA far away (waaay too far to just "appear" 30 seconds later)

then pulling peter through a wall? he woulda freaked out a bit more...what if sylar just told matt "i could kill u, and find you daughter and kill her too but...work for me"

i just really think matt knew it was sylar
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I watch that bit, I think Matt looks surprised but not much. Sylar didn't reveal himself at first, so if Matt didn't know Sylar was impersonating Nathan, Matt just found out that Nathan has two powers. He might have already known about flight. And if he knew Peter had many, Matt may not have had a hard time believing that Peter's brother did, too. And Nathan is still (supposed to be) the president, so Matt may be surprised that he has powers, but he still followed orders.

I don't know if the writers meant us to think Matt didn't know Sylar was impersonating Nathan. But it is hard to believe that Matt wouldn't have caught a stray thought at some point that gave it away.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why didn't Future Hiro go back to semi-Future Hiro and tell him how to kill Sylar properly?

After all, there can be only one!


Simple. Because Future Hiro is also affected by the alternate timeline as a result of his actions. If F.Hiro did not go back in time to warn Peter to save Claire, Sylar would have regen capabilities and is the bomb. He didn`t know Claire survived until being told by P. Hiro that he had succeeded. Note also that F.Hiro was at the scene of the event, stabbing Sylar. It can`t be said that he`s mistaken who`s the bomb. Even if F.Hiro did not actually see Sylar exploding, the very fact that SYlar demonstrates near-nova abilities to the point where F.Hiro felt threatened till he needs to teleport out proves F.Hiro is the main witness of the event and his thoughts cannot be wrong.

F.Hiro returns to the future where Claire survived and he has no recollection of Peter being the bomb coz he has, as discussed here before jumped to an alernate timeline. Therefore, how could F.Hiro tell P.Hiro how to kill Sylar when F.Hiro's information no longer co-relates to the events happening since his warning to Peter? F.Hiro's warning just made his history irrelevant.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agreed
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm....maybe Sylar does still need to die to prevent the explosion.
What if it's Sylar that somehow causes Peter to explode, after Sylar has chowed down on pre-cooked Teddy-brain of course.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slippy wrote:
Hmmmm....maybe Sylar does still need to die to prevent the explosion.
What if it's Sylar that somehow causes Peter to explode, after Sylar has chowed down on pre-cooked Teddy-brain of course.


Yeah, I was wondering that as well. Maybe he does still need to die, but we know that he won't. My main feeling is that someone (possibly Hiro) has to stop Peter from meeting Ted like he intends to in ep 21, because that is where he would get the power from in the first place. He most likely wants to meet Ted because he thinks that Ted wil know how to control the power, but instead Peter will end up getting the power, which he didn't actually have to start with!
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He did not say that he saw Sylar explode. I am not convinced that Sylar was really the one who exploded the first time around. From the available data, we know that in the first loop, Hiro stabbed Sylar. Sylar regenerated. Bomb went off at an indeterminate time after Sylar regenerated.

We know from F.Hiro's quote that it was the same day that he stabbed Sylar...but it could have been hours after that event.

It's possible that the same thing happened in loop 1 as in loop 2...Peter exploded, but it was blamed on Sylar.

We have no proof that exploding like that would kill Peter (since he didn't have the regen power in that loop) as Ted was about to go nuclear himself in the Bennet house but came out unscathed.

So, we may just see Hiro take out Sylar in this loop...and Peter go boom boom anyways.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the MAIN thing is....did hiro actually WITNESS sylar go boom in the first loop...

personally, reading the graphic novel, im not 100% about this, but im leaning towards hiro stabbing sylar, him regenerating, and then going BOOM right in front of hiro, and hiro, not having enough time or control over his powers, can only teleport to safety, leaving ando to die (on accident though) =[
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Peter/Ted Reply with quote

I'm a little lost. Doesn't Peter already have Ted's power? When he was training with Claude he started tweaking out from using all of his powers and it looked like he was going nuclear (Claude punches him to stop it) Am I just assuming he as the power b/c we've seen his premonition of himself blowing up so many times? I know he hasn't "met" Ted yet, but if he remembers the feeling he has the power, so maybe he was close enough to obtain it. I just don't remember if he had run across him at all yet... please clear that up for me.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

negative, he has yet to come in contact with ted, but yea, that IS weird...i think peter wasnt necessarily going to go BOOM when claude knocked him out, i think he was just using lots of powers at once and ASSUMED he was gonna go BOOM. not sure...

but to answer ur question...no...he hasnt come into contact with ted yet.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Plot Hole??? Reply with quote

Frankly, I hate to admit it, but I think this is a plot hole. Regardless the timeline, how can FH slice Sylar and not kill him if Claire is still alive?

Also, How is it that Peter has the scar if he saved Claire? He wouldn't scar if he saved Claire, therefore he didn't save her, which means that Sylar killed her and got her powers.

A time paradox worthy of Sam Becket
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