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HeroAddict · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject:

The fire vs. ice was money! A dude earlier asked what power the person had when Matt and the FBI lady first came across "sylar's work". It's freezing ability. I didn't realize from watching the show either but a few graphic novels ago Sylar is driving a mac truck and is being pursued by the police; he opens the door and freezes the road behind him and the cops spin out.... And by the fire I'll assume that Peter met Claire's mom too. ICEMAN vs. PYRO? That's what it looked like to me.. I almost climaxed right there. Last night was awesome! I think it's clever of the writers to give a peek at what it looks like when everyone knows how to use their powers well. Now it gives us something to look forward to next season.

deftonesdea · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject:

i was thinking about that, using 2 powers at once, im going with the fact that its in the future, aka they can use their powers waaaay more accurately+ powerful. I'm saying this because of when claire got stopped with sylar's TK, she was literally FROZEN with TK, and she only had the strength to mutter "sylar.."

also, peter...this guy was flinging guys around with TK, using jessica's super strength (threw a guy) TK etc etc, phased.....oh yea, so....can dl phase other things through walls? i didnt think he could do that...unless when sylar grabbed peter....peter's phasing just "turned on" allowing sylar to pull him through the door...also...it didnt seem sylar cared much that his cover was blown, he flew as the president...

now...im going to assume sylar cant get peter's powers if he kills him because if he did, then who's to say sylar doesnt somehow get the best of peter in the future, kill him, gain time travel, come to the past etc etc

oh yea....another theory..ANDO= THE KEY! ANDO= the one who stops the bomb/prevents everything/kills sylar. Yep, you heard me right. I'll have more on this, but it kinda has to do with everyone having a role...ando's will be huge.

Payquage · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject:

Ando already did something significant when he convinced our Hiro that he could go back in time to the right time. Not to say he won't do more...

Hercules67 · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject:

BHustonM · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject:

My jaw dropped a few times during that episode... like when FH was shot and killed. So if FH travels back in time to tell Peter to save Claire, but the Peter that FH knows had a scar. If Peter saves claire and gains her ability, then that should have changed the Peter that FH would have gone back to, right? So I still dont get the scar and how Peter could have one.

I dont believe Matt knew that Nathan was Sylar. He told him that "your brother" was holding them off, not "Peter." And does Sylar have the ability to look through walls also? He just reached through and grabbed Peter without looking or sticking his head through the door.

Also, Who the heck is the bomb? Nathan tells the world that Sylar was the bomb even though Peter and SYlar know that Peter was the bomb. Hiro tries to kill Sylar bc he thinks he is the bomb. Did he see Sylar explode or is he buying into the lie?

I think that Peter was not using fire against Sylar but was using Ted ability.

Hercules67 · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject:

WetPatch · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject:

Hey guys, first time post eek

Don't know if this was picked up on in the episode but here goes,

If you go back to the scene on the Cafe where Bennet is telling Claire to leave, the news is running in the back ground of all the arrests taking place. The reporter can be clearly heard describing the arrests has the most important since The Linderman Act was passed.

Could this mean that Linderman was the leader of the "Heros/Terrorists" failed uprising ?

Hercules67 · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject:

WetPatch · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject:

I was thinking that after the bomb people turned against the heros which forced them to fight back under Lindermans leadership which in turn forced Nathen/Sylar to publish a Act and form a new goverment agency to combat them.

talonz55 · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: Timeline

Let me know if I am off in my analysis of Heroes so far... Shocked

Apparently, there was an original timeline which is not shown in the show. The timeline that we are seeing is an alternate timeline which began when future Hiro went back in time to tell Peter to "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" and continues with Hiro going into the future.

The first timeline appears to be as follows: Sylar kills Claire (and a lot more mutants) and absorbs her healing power, then he goes to critical mass (which can be referred to in the Heroes comic). Hiro stabs Sylar in an attempt to kill him and stop the explosion but Sylar regenerates due to Claire's powers and explodes either way. In this timeline, HRG and the majority of the heroes die due to the explosion, leaving Sylar to reek havoc.

In the second timeline, Hiro goes back in time to warn Peter about Sylar's attempt on Claire's life. Peter then saves Claire, thwarting Sylar's attempt to gain the regen powers. However, somehow, Peter ended up going nuclear (either in a showdown with Sylar or his inability to control any newfound power). To cover it up, Nathan (who must have been alive at the time) puts the blame on Sylar (also alive somehow). Peter wouldn't be outed as someone with powers with Nathan in a position of power (no one suspecting Nathan of having powers either...helping him gain the presidency). Peter, anguished about his role in the death of so many people, leaves, which allows Sylar to kill Nathan and assume his identity (after killing Candice the shapeshifter). In the show, Peter would not have noticed the change in Nathan as he has kept himself in exile until the showdown at the end.

The second timeline has now been altered into a third timeline due to the fact that Present Hiro visit the future, something that the future Hiro did not do (as can be seen in the last episode, where future Hiro was shocked to see himself). By going back to the present, Hiro now carries the information that Nathan (not knowing that he is Sylar) eventually turning against the mutants by introducing the Registration Act, using that Act as a means to kill off the mutants with the use of the drug Mohinder used on the Haitian and thinking that he has to kill Sylar to stop the explosion as in the first timeline, even though Peter is the one that goes nuclear. It becomes more and more clear that, as they continue to try and tweak the past to change the future, the explosion seems to be an eventuality as every timeline includes that fact. Now, with Hiro going back to the present, he has some knowledge. However, he may be confused about the following points:

1) Nathan dies and his indentity is assumed by Sylar
2) Peter, not Sylar, is the cause of the devastation in New York
3) Hiro may be burdened with the fact that his friend, Ando, dies in the second timeline, causing him to suffer a break in judgement at a critical time
4) Hiro nows that Mohinder is a friend and that Parkman cannot be trusted

What do you guys think?

sugar_slayer · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: my thoughts

yes finally i find someone who sums up the timelines

i myself was trying to work this all out this morning.

but what i don't get is future hiro.
how can he not know that claire was saved.
if the future that hiro and ando went into was in fact the future of the current timeline then surely that hiro would remember what happened 5 years ago.
and it seems like it is the same timeline cos sylar still doesn't have claires power.

you get me?

i also wonder why there is so much focus of killing sylar if peter is in fact the one that causes the destruction.
it could be that some how they are linked but i don't know.
i get how the timeline changes again with this knowledge hiro has.
mohinder, matt, nathan.
he knows things and therefore could change some things that happen in the future.
but to me the explosion seems inevitable

Jormengrund · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject:

First, I have to say that I think Sylar ran into Candace before Hiro brought her in.

So, my thought is that Sylar, posing as Candace, is grabbed by Hiro, taken with DL to HRG's office, and hidden away.

While hidden, Sylar reveals himself, and takes DL's power. Running, now that he's basically invisible, he runs back to NYC, and then turn on Nathan. Taking over his identity, Sylar then becomes the "Most special man in the world", with a powerful nation to back him as well.

I have to say that there are so many possible twists that these next few episodes can take that my mind is spinning!!

I have too many "what if's" in my head to be able to post them with any accuracy, so I'll keep them listed, and when I can figure out a way to accurately explain them, I'll post them on a new thread.

GAH! It's only Tuesday, and I'm wanting next week already!

obsidianflame · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: my thoughts

deftonesdea · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject:

i think one of the MAIN things i wanna know is...if future hiro (in loop 1) killed sylar and KNEW he was the bomb, or if in loop 1, 2 (and probably 3) it was always peter that was the bomb, and he just THOUGHT sylar was because of nathan.

also...future hiro= unaware claire is alive because of the string theory....he has no knowledge of what happened with claire being saved because thats technically a different hiro, and when he comes back to the future, its not HIS future. Thats why he's like "she's alive isnt she? claire?" and thats why HRG goes "what are u talking about?" cause in his mind, she never died. Infact, I'm assuming the only person with memories (from that point on) that has memories of claire getting killed by sylar IS future hiro. everyone else= peter saved her. Yes, peter has claire's ability in the future (maybe, unless.....molly walker can TAKE POWERS AWAY, thus peter getting the scar)

whats weird the the haitain.....how can he block powers!?!? why didnt he block ted's power!? when he was gonna go BOOM at HRG's house!? or when they shot at sylar at HRG's house, and sylar used TK to cushion the bullet impacts? the haitain coulda stopped sylar's powers, shot him, etc etc.....there have been like 2-4 instances in the series where i went "damnit! i guess the haitain cant block powers" im gonna go with.....he can do it IN THE FUTURE because of practice etc. same thing goes with using 2 powers at once.

also, im gonna post this in the peter vs sylar (future edition) in a minute but...to me...the matchup of future peter vs future sylar is waaaay more even than the present matchup because.... both sylar and peter have used their powers alottttt infact, since peter has done "battles" and waged a "war" in the future, i bet he's fantastic etc......in the present, sylar has more control over his powers than peter....

think about it...sylar was holding mohinder up on a wall pinned down, he then threw peter up with TK (this is allll using TK at once now) then he grabs peter's throat with one hand (aka he's still using TK to hold peter up, theres no way he can do it with one arm) mohinder= still on the ceiling....he then BEGINS TO CUT the head of PETER+MOHINDER ON THE ceiling, AND some of his TK= holding peter up while he's doing all this! peter i've seen throw some things around with TK (in the present) but thats about it

"should we stop time? nah, i havent had a good battle in a while"- (MY NEW SIG plz dont take it anyone)

oh yea, how do i auto do the signature thingy? (im SUCH a n00b at that stuff)

sugar_slayer · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: but...

thanks for the welcome

yeah i know that everyone believes its sylar - its just annoying cos we know its not, and peter knows its not. and so does ecclestons character (drawing a blank on the name sorry)

maybe its just me not fully understanding timelines and such but if future hiro did just jump back to when hiro and ando arrive then wouldn't he notice that the world around him has changed??
wouldn't claire being saved change the timeline??
or is there another timeline hidden somewhere.

or did hiro and ando in fact jump into the first timeline - going with the 3 timeline thread.
that would make some sense.
would explain peters scar - e doesn't have claires power.
and maybe it is always peter that blows up. regardless of the timelines.
everyone just assumes its sylar

edit: ok just read the post above
totally didn't get the whole hiro thinks she's dead but he's not in the same timeline.
but if that was the case and future hiro goes back to a different timeline than the one he came from surely other things would've changed.
claire living/dying wouldn't have had such a little impact.