Yeah, there are lots of ways that Peter could have gotten into the vault other than ripping it open with his mind.
1. Peter has super strength. (Niki)
2. Peter could phase through the door. (D.L.)
3. Peter could telepathically force someone else to open it. (Matt)
4. Peter could liquify the door. (Sylar/Zane)
5. Peter could teleport inside the vault. (Hiro)
6. Peter could melt the vault with nuclear heat. (Ted)
Not all the BEST option, but some of them far better than a bleeding nose, a lot of time, and damaged property.
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Under the current circumstances I thought that this finale wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. Atleast not like s1, and I hate comparing the two. However, this ep did have my stomach twirling until its end. I'll post some things left unaswered/theories.
Personally, unless i'm not seeing the bigger picture, I think they should have never made it plausible for the blood of people like claire/adam to resurrect people. They should have left Noah dead; this would have made the show more dramatic. It gets old when people simply "resurrect", almost like what happened in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer series. Because of this, when characters die, viewers simply say ,"oh he will somehow get some blood and be res'd". Theres no, "omg, that was my fav char and he just died."
Anyway, did anyone else notice the ashes being absorbed into Peter's hand after he burnt the vial? I thought HE would be the virus, but then realized he had regenerative abilities.
Did anyone else think what Hiro did to Adam was genius? I never expected that at all until they teleported. At first I thought Hiro would teleport back 1k years and leave Adam there. Instead, theres now a possibility for him to return in S3 .
FINALLY my fav. char got his powers back, hes baaack . Prediction: Sylar learned that "the company" injected him with the virus and got pissed. Im thinking that in S3 he will go after the company!! Also, if Nathan stays dead, im going to bet money that Peter will also go after the company (that is, if they killed Nathan). I think that this is what Angela meant when she said, "you've opened Pandora's box." If this is true, I think Peter will step up, finally learn his abilities and seek the company out. Does anyone else see Peter and Sylar's story coming together??
Im pumped for S3, even if this season was cut short and semi-sucked. Oh well, Heroes still rocks.
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: hmm
Talmidi Orha wrote:
Yeah, there are lots of ways that Peter could have gotten into the vault other than ripping it open with his mind.
1. Peter has super strength. (Niki)
2. Peter could phase through the door. (D.L.)
3. Peter could telepathically force someone else to open it. (Matt)
4. Peter could liquify the door. (Sylar/Zane)
5. Peter could teleport inside the vault. (Hiro)
6. Peter could melt the vault with nuclear heat. (Ted)
Not all the BEST option, but some of them far better than a bleeding nose, a lot of time, and damaged property.
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Don't forget that Peter doesn't exactly have superior control over all of these abilities. He probably doesn't even know how to use liquification, Matt's fulla bility, and certainly not Hiro's power. ted's power? Do you think he'd want to risk using that power again? The only other viable option would be phasing, but then how would Nathan and Matt meet up with them? The show is taking Peter's char slow, and it should. In fact, i'd be boring if he mastered all of his powers. He'd be waaay too powerful, there has to be balance.
No, i don't see Peter and Sylar coming together. If Sylar meets up with Peter again, he's going to try and take his brain; it would end Sylar's need for the whole "kill the super eat the brain" thing.
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: hmm
bp_patriot wrote:
Don't forget that Peter doesn't exactly have superior control over all of these abilities. He probably doesn't even know how to use liquification, Matt's fulla bility, and certainly not Hiro's power. ted's power? Do you think he'd want to risk using that power again? The only other viable option would be phasing, but then how would Nathan and Matt meet up with them? The show is taking Peter's char slow, and it should. In fact, i'd be boring if he mastered all of his powers. He'd be waaay too powerful, there has to be balance.
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: hmm
goodolw wrote:
[quote="bp_patriot]Don't forget that Peter doesn't exactly have superior control over all of these abilities. He probably doesn't even know how to use liquification, Matt's fulla bility, and certainly not Hiro's power. ted's power? Do you think he'd want to risk using that power again? The only other viable option would be phasing, but then how would Nathan and Matt meet up with them? The show is taking Peter's char slow, and it should. In fact, i'd be boring if he mastered all of his powers. He'd be waaay too powerful, there has to be balance.
he used it for the virus. sorry to expose you. [/quote]
right, but that was a miniscule amount, probably easier to concentrate than a large blast. I should have stated this.
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: ok
bp_patriot wrote:
Anyway, did anyone else notice the ashes being absorbed into Peter's hand after he burnt the vial? I thought HE would be the virus, but then realized he had regenerative abilities.
i noticed it but in the future they said he died anyway so obviously the "regenerative abilities" dont matter.
Why would they shoot Nathan? What does that prevent? Peter can just as easily show the world that there are powers. It’s not like shooting Nath keeps the lid on the box. What are they thinking? Do they want Peter to rampage??! That is by far the stupidest thing that the company could have done... which leads me to suspect it might not have been the company... I think Angela's people are a separate organisation.
By the way, I agree that infinite resurrection sucks, but if Peter doesn’t inject his Brother with his blood, I will be very disappointed in his level of intelligence. It might not work, sure, since his power is mimicry. But only a fool wouldn’t try.
I confess I would like Nathan back. All the other deaths they could have stuck with for all I care But the rare scenes of brotherly love in this show are really special. They make Heroes so engaging. Half the reason I watched S2 was to see Nath and Pete reunited. >_< I think the brothers need to BOTH live or BOTH die! I can’t watch one without the other. It’s too awful
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PS: Oh, err, I really liked this episode until that last shooting scene
Matt, from what I understand (read this somewhere) Peter had trouble controlling Ted's power at the very end in Kirby Plaza and couldn't stop it because he was assimilating too many new powers (Niki's strength, DL's phasing... possibly/probably Micah's ability - anyone who was in range???) It overloaded his system (kind of like it did after "save the cheerleader save the world" when he looked so sickly and passed out on the steps.
It was too much for him on top of trying to control Ted's power too. Mohinder told Nathan at one point that Peter could be dangerous if he absorbed too many powers too quickly, he could become unstable (when Nathan goes to Mohinder for his help to stop Peter).
Now that Peter has had the other powers (including Ted's) for a little while, he is more able to control them, I think, IMHO.
Okay... now on to what I really wanted to talk about...
I'm not sure if this is where I should post this or not. I've looked all over for a thread discussing Nathan's getting shot, specifically, and couldn't find one. So it's going here for now, and if a mod would like to move it, please do:
Here's my theory on the gunshot wound and how they could save Nathan (without cheating) please tell me what you think and if you noticed the same things:
Okay, I need to go back and rewatch the shooting scene (probably again and again) to absorb all the details... but one thing that seemed odd to me was that there was no blood. I realize when the bullets first hit him, there probably wouldn't be much blood (and don't try to tell me that they were trying not to be too gory with the shooting, because that's a bunch of bull... we've seen plenty of other blood with Sylar on the show). However, if you'll notice, as soon as Sylar shot Maya, there was blood, it pooled to her throat, as a matter of fact.
Why not with Nathan? Now, I can't remember, when Peter lowers him to the floor if they show much of him other than his face after that (that's why I need to rewatch).
Anyway, here's my happy thought of the day.
Wait, first let me ask this. I'm a girl, and I'm not familiar with guns or bullets... but I do know in some instances that Police fire rubber bullets - they hurt like h*ll but they won't kill you. Would those bullets be able to rip through clothing? Leave holes in someone's shirt? I DON'T know the answer to that, if someone would like to enlighten me.
But anyway, with all the hype going around that people are tired of seeing the miracle blood used and/or time travel, to fix something... what if, instead, Nathan wasn't shot "critically". What if he was shot by some kind of rubber bullets or something. Something that would hurt like h*ll and make him think that he had been shot (leave holes in his shirt?) but not actually draw any blood.
I know it's a pretty long shot... but I thought it would be a nice way to keep Nathan in the show without having to "magically" bring him back. I mean, his mother was involved, and yes I know she's an evil woman and I know she was willing to sacrifice Peter... but still... the main thing they were trying to do here was to effectively put an end to this press conference and keep Nathan from saying anymore. They could do that just as well with a "fake" shooting as they could a "real" shooting.
So there's my off the wall idea/take on it.
Also, I've heard a lot of people say that the shots weren't critical, that with hospital care he could live through them... I'm not so sure about that. Yes, HRG lived through his gunshot wound (Haitian knew right where to shoot him) and yes, Claude lived through HRG shooting him. Matt lived through his wound and DL lived through his (well, at least the first time). But... isn't that getting a little repetitive? I mean how many times are they gonna let someone live through getting shot? Also, don't forget, Simone didn't live through her two shots to the chest. If they didn't hit/nick his heart with one of those shots (if they were indeed real) then I don't see how they couldn't at least have punctured one of his lungs with them.
But I'll say again, the main thing that bothered me was that there wasn't any blood. I think back to all the other shootings that we've seen on the show... and I mean ALL OF THEM. And there was always blood. But I just don't remember seeing any blood with Nathan.
Of course, like I said, I need to go back and rewatch the scene.
Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble, yet once again. smile.gif
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: hmm
bp_patriot wrote:
Don't forget that Peter doesn't exactly have superior control over all of these abilities. He probably doesn't even know how to use liquification, Matt's fulla bility, and certainly not Hiro's power. ted's power? Do you think he'd want to risk using that power again? The only other viable option would be phasing, but then how would Nathan and Matt meet up with them? The show is taking Peter's char slow, and it should. In fact, i'd be boring if he mastered all of his powers. He'd be waaay too powerful, there has to be balance.
OK, Peter does know how to use Hiro's power.
And he didn't know how to use D.L.'s and he did it anyway.
Ted's power? Yeah, he uses it still. How do you think he destroyed the virus?
You're right. He should be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too powerful, but the writers can't handle it so they make him stupid, wussy, and "uncontrollable."
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: The Shooting & more...
The number of chest shots he took would absolutely fell him, major damage to the chest (heart/lungs/esophagus/spleen, liver) would make those kill shots. Also under stand that bullet wounds make a clean, small wound in the front and make the large, bloody wound in the back upon exit. With his dark suit, you would not nessesarily see blood. Believable.
Questions...
1. Why didn't Parkman produce a nightmare for Peter, rather than try to implant the thought...
2. What the hell is Ms. Petrelli up to? She has now tried/okayed the killing/would be explosion of her sons...why does she not value them? I believe she will be the REAL villain of season 3, and her power will eventually be quite awesome.
3. Freaking Sylar...he rules...and the two great characters of the 2nd season Elle & Adam are very much great additions...now lose Micah, the muscle mimic and develop a cool heroes vs. villains arc. I'll bet, per usual, Peter isn't sure which side to take.
4. I can see Claire running to avoid the company...no Claire, no resurrections...so they'll need to dig up Adam...who inevitably has a plot for revenge now that he's spent time in the box.
I posted earlier how i was upset that Nathan was killed. But, in all actuality I thought is was a great idea cause it will push Peter to be a little more dramatic, cynical, or basically just a super straight up bad ass! Something to fuel the fire would be the death of his brother. And earlier someone posted about him controlling Ted's powers..........that is a great point! All in all i loved it and hated it, mainly because of the strike, i feel cheated a little bit. Nathan is still one of my all time fav's besides Peter and Hiro....................And i really dont mind Sylar gettin his powers back. I just hate having to wait again.....who knows for how long now..........to get back to the story and get more answers!
Good points NICHOLETTE. I didn't notice there wasn't any blood. (I also have to watch it again) What if he was wearing a bullet proof vest? Maybe we learn next season that Peter came back from the future and told Nathan to wear a vest on that day. What do you guys think of that idea?
Good points NICHOLETTE. I didn't notice there wasn't any blood. (I also have to watch it again) What if he was wearing a bullet proof vest? Maybe we learn next season that Peter came back from the future and told Nathan to wear a vest on that day. What do you guys think of that idea?
I wouldnt mind it, only isnt that what Marty told the Doc in the letter!?
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. Prediction: Sylar learned that "the company" injected him with the virus and got pissed. Im thinking that in S3 he will go after the company!! Also, if Nathan stays dead, im going to bet money that Peter will also go after the company (that is, if they killed Nathan). I think that this is what Angela meant when she said, "you've opened Pandora's box." If this is true, I think Peter will step up, finally learn his abilities and seek the company out. Does anyone else see Peter and Sylar's story coming together??
But the rare scenes of brotherly love in this show are really special. They make Heroes so engaging. Half the reason I watched S2 was to see Nath and Pete reunited. >_< I think the brothers need to BOTH live or BOTH die! I can’t watch one without the other. It’s too awful 
