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Hercules67 · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject:

Talmidi,

I was going to make a post about the bullet in the head, and how that was proven wrong with HRG, when I found a whole other page of posts, and then I said.... oh, my god! you guys!!!.... I have nothing more to say.... You said it all!

Thanks Talmidi. And Etticat, thanks for being in a good mood today, because I was about to say, please don't be so dense about the "bullet in the head" thing!

Jormengrund · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject:

Well, you're going to have to excuse me, but I'm going to get a little "geeky" on you, and show you how the potential to explain off the bullet could work..

First off, there are different types of ammunition that are commonly used.

There are slugs, and then there are hollow point.

Slugs are basically just a solid piece of malleable metal. This usually will "mushroom" upon impact, but not to a severe degree. Once the tip of this bullet flattens, it then begins to "tumble" when it enters, and creates the nasty injuries so common with gunshot wounds. If it still has sufficient velocity, it might even be able to exit the body, creating a large exit wound. Normally about 2-3 times the size of the entrance wound.

Then there are Hollow Point rounds. These rounds are specifically designed to fragment upon impact, creating shrapnel that will scatter about, and cause even more significan injury to the body than a regular slug. Once it hits, the energy spent in penetrating the skin bursts apart the point, and making it tear itself to pieces. These bits of bullet then tumble in the body making several injuries. These type of rounds rarely, if ever, create exit wounds, as the smaller pieces tend to not have sufficient velocity to gain an exit.

My guess here.. And it IS only a guess.. Is that HRG could have been hit with a slug from Mohinder's gun. While comatose, the fragment could have been removed, leaving the body open to be able to heal the single injury. As we've seen with the other gunshots that have been "healed" from, these have also been slug-type of injuries.

However, with Eden's gunshot wound, there's quite a bit of matter that ends up all over the walls. Judging from the amount of exit velocity, I'd say that the exit wound from this injury also expelled brain matter. Because of this, there's no way Eden could've been revived.

We see no exit wound from HRG, so there's a definite possibility that because there was no brain matter to be scattered over the ground, everything was still contained, and could be healed.

Anyway, I'm just giving a suggestion.

Honestly, with my day, I'm kind of glad to be able to take this time to do a little "divertive" action!

Hope you all enjoy my little "spiel". Very Happy

Hercules67 · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject:

Sorry Jorm -- I don't buy this drivel one bit. A bullet in the brain will damage "soft matter" NO MATTER WHAT. Ask any doctor, ask any cop. This bullet went in through the eye socket, the path of least resistance. If it had hit bone, maybe it would have slowed down......

Aargh....! I can't believe I am arguing about this, this is so stupid! The writers reneged on something they wrote in their own show. PERIOD. END OF STATEMENT. Bad writing. That's all it is.

I am not buying any other theories.

Talmidi Orha · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject:

JessicaSanders · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject:

its also confirmed in earlier eps when both peter and claire are for all purposes dead after being impaled in the head.

Talmidi Orha · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject:

Nicholette · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject:

May I interject? Very Happy

I think it depends on WHERE you are shot.

Remember, in season 1 - when Peter told Claire to shoot him... she wasn't just supposed to shoot him any ol place... no, she was supposed to shoot him in the head... and even then, not in any ol place. To quote Peter, he says "you know the spot".

I think it has to damage that "spot" the same spot where Claire had the tree branch and Peter had the shard of glass.

Regarding HRG. I have rewatched his death scene after reading these posts, because I didn't agree with you guys... I thought there WAS an exit wound. And there was. The bullet came OUT of his eye and through his glasses. REWATCH THE SCENE. Is there somewhere I can post the clip for you? Notice where Mohinder is standing in relation to HRG when he shoots him, and how HRG turns away as he fires the gun. The bullet comes out of his left eye.

Okay, here, I uploaded some pics to illustrate: (But it's better if you rewatch the scene):

HRG's head wouldn't have turned the way it did if the bullet had ENTERED through his eye - it would have knocked him backwards or to the left (if anything - certainly not the RIGHT) and the blood spray would have been different. I propose that the bullet entered through the left side (or towards the left back) of his head and exited out the front.

Just my opinion, though, as always.

And so... the bullet wouldn't have hit much gray matter. Smile

And certainly wouldn't have hit "THAT SPOT".

Any takers? Smile

Hercules67 · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:30 am Post subject:

I propose we ask Tim Kring this question then. What is his opinion on the matter? How did he write the scene?

And here's another proposal... Let's pretend the last 11 episodes did not happen and move forward from there. Tim Kring has as much as apologized for them anyway and he wants to move forward and ignore anything that happened in them. That's why he changed the virus storyline.

That's why I suspect in Volume 3 he will do a reboot and bring back Nathan, Niki and a cast of thousands. Let's just hope volume 3 will be better.

Talmidi Orha · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:07 am Post subject:

the voice of reason · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:08 am Post subject:

Etticat · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:31 am Post subject:

I think i like that one theory about the Friction Reducing Eyelashes, yeah thats the one!

Ambience 327 · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject:

Nicholette · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject:

Thanks Ambience for pointing that out for me. Smile

Talmidi - I'm not saying that I'm right. All I'm doing is posting possible explanations. Everytime I watch that scene I just don't get the feeling he was shot straight on in the eye. From the time he sort of realizes that Mohinder's gonna pull the trigger, until we hear the actual "report" of the bullet, he begins to turn his head, as if he means to dodge the shot.

Then, with the way the director shot the rest of the scene, the way HRG's head and body "react" to the shot - it just doesn't support a straight on shot to the eyeglasses/eye. Now I realize that the director was trying to get the beautiful sunset lighting and that could be why it was filmed that way... artist license and all that... <shrug> But look at these additional shots:

In this one - look at the cloud of blood. Why would there be that HUGE of a cloud of blood if the bullet had gone THROUGH his glasses, into his eye and lodge in his brain? I could see that cloud of blood much more reasonably and believably, IF the bullet came out the front - OUT of his eye, and the blood followed it.

Now, here's a series of 3 pics. I'm posting them to emphasize some blood that's hitting the pavement. The blood doesn't appear (AGAIN, TO ME) to be coming from his "eye socket" but from somewhere else on his head. It seems to be coming from behind him, actually. Look at the drop in the air, in particular, it's behind his head. If he had been shot on the left side of his head (in the hairline) you might not have seen the bullet wound. Wounds are usually smaller going in and it could be hidden by his hair. Ooooh, and see, his eyeball was completely obliterated in the front - wounds are usually larger where the bullet exits the body. Anyway, here's the pics:

You can argue with me... tell me I'm wrong... (as long as you are polite and respectful, I don't mind). I'm just telling you the way the shot made me "feel". My first GUT instinct when I saw him get shot was NOT that he got shot "in the eye"... even though I had originally been "expecting" that to be the case because of the painting...

Anyway... I could be totally wrong. I just wanted to post a little more to show you "why" I felt that way. Not trying to be argumentative. I think the majority feel that he WAS shot in the eye, so I'm outvoted anyway. Smile

Thanks for indulging me.

~Nicky