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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: LOVED IT!!! |
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SPOILER ALERT!!!!!
Now that "Generations" is wrapped up and "Villains" had begun with Sylar getting ALL of his old powers back, this show is about to finally get started.
Nathan dead? NO. Now, Peter's blood--I don't think--will work the same as Adam's already did on Nathan. His power is the ability to mimmick that of others, but it's in his brain. Not the same as "Cheerleader Blood". But what do you think the chances are that Claire Bennet is a perfect blood match for Nathan Petrelli? Yeah. S'what I thought.
Nikki dead? YES. Throughout season 2, it's become pretty obvious that Micah is a much stronger character than Nikki (or Jessica or Gina or whoever the heck else might've popped up). Now that Peter has Nikki's super strength, there isn't much need for her character to endure unnecessarily. HOWEVER, her death is the catalyst for Micah's heroism to really take flight. Now he's got, like, Bruce Wayne type demons that turn him into a strong, fierce man, not just some daydreaming boy. AND he doesn't even have to touch streetlights to get them to change. This day in age, Micah's is a immensely formidable power, so all he needs now is a foot and a half in growth, some muscles and a haircut. (micah loves molly? maybe)
WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE is the Company being turned over and put into the right hands; being used to HELP those with powers instead of HUNT them. Nathan Petrelli should have the reigns instead of Bob (who should go on the run and hide with his daughter Elle, who turns on him) and lead the CO. with valiance and honor. Agent teams would be Matt and Mohinder (who doubles as the CO. scientist), Hiro and Ando, and Claire and Noah (the premeire team, who set their sights on Bob and Elle). Peter acts as more of a consultant in the CO. (since he's too awesome for typical field work) until he and Nathan go on a quest to find---wait for it--their FATHER who is still alive. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: Re: LOVED IT!!! |
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SPOILER ALERT!!!!!
Now that "Generations" is wrapped up and "Villains" had begun with Sylar getting ALL of his old powers back, this show is about to finally get started.
Nathan dead? NO. Now, Peter's blood--I don't think--will work the same as Adam's already did on Nathan. His power is the ability to mimmick that of others, but it's in his brain. Not the same as "Cheerleader Blood". But what do you think the chances are that Claire Bennet is a perfect blood match for Nathan Petrelli? Yeah. S'what I thought.
Nikki dead? YES. Throughout season 2, it's become pretty obvious that Micah is a much stronger character than Nikki (or Jessica or Gina or whoever the heck else might've popped up). Now that Peter has Nikki's super strength, there isn't much need for her character to endure unnecessarily. HOWEVER, her death is the catalyst for Micah's heroism to really take flight. Now he's got, like, Bruce Wayne type demons that turn him into a strong, fierce man, not just some daydreaming boy. AND he doesn't even have to touch streetlights to get them to change. This day in age, Micah's is a immensely formidable power, so all he needs now is a foot and a half in growth, some muscles and a haircut. (micah loves molly? maybe)
WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE is the Company being turned over and put into the right hands; being used to HELP those with powers instead of HUNT them. Nathan Petrelli should have the reigns instead of Bob (who should go on the run and hide with his daughter Elle, who turns on him) and lead the CO. with valiance and honor. Agent teams would be Matt and Mohinder (who doubles as the CO. scientist), Hiro and Ando, and Claire and Noah (the premeire team, who set their sights on Bob and Elle). Peter acts as more of a consultant in the CO. (since he's too awesome for typical field work) until he and Nathan go on a quest to find---wait for it--their FATHER who is still alive. |
Haha. I wish. A bit odd of you to post "spoiler alert" before personal theories, but...
The problem I have with Nathan resurrecting is this: The world saw him shot (likely fatally) on television. If Nathan is resurrected, his recovery would have to be a complete secret. This fits with your theory that he starts running the Company, but still... how does he take these reigns? Bob certainly can't be the ONLY person one needs to take out in order to take control.
If Nathan came back to life, it would have to be a secret. Or his recovery would have to be a lie, since he would heal right away. This isn't impossible on Heroes considering that somehow no one saw the bomb explode in the sky or knew that Linderman was killed, according to Bob.
Anyone else a bit annoyed that Volume 1 and Volume 2 both end with the same cliff-hanger (i.e. did Nathan die?)? I thought he was toast after Peter blowing up. After all, wasn't his noble sacrifice what made the act so heroic? But the fact remains that he didn't die. Can this show really afford to end 2 seasons straight with a "Did Nathan die?" mystery? Seems about as recycled as the entire second Volume. I LOVE Nathan, but I honestly would like to see Peter try to save Nathan and it not working because his power is mimicry, not spontaneous regeneration. Claire arrives too late to save Nathan and he remains dead. It would solve the obvious plot hole if Peter or Claire don't try to save his/her brother/father, respectively, while still allowing the writers to regain the "dramatic" aspect of having death on the show be a consequential condition. STOP RESURRECTING PEOPLE, WITH MAGIC BLOOD OR OTHERWISE!!!
Honestly, all the deaths this season were primarily stupid and ultimately inconsequential. Candice getting killed with a coffee mug and D.L. (the f-ing PHASER for Chrissake) getting shot for a THIRD TIME in TWO VOLUMES pretty much both serve to demonstrate how death on Heroes is a joke. Kill good characters for dumb reasons, and let others live for equally dumb reasons.
Bah.
Get it together, Kring. Knock my socks off in Volume 3. I still believe in you. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: Re: LOVED IT!!! |
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I hate to disagree with you... but I'm gonna.
I mean, I wholeheartedly agree with you on the blood thing. I'm so over that already. Create some sort of circumstance that negates that deus ex machina. Pollute the blood in some way, so that perhaps Claire (and or Adam) don't die... but they're blood can't be used to heal... and just don't set it up so that Peter's can do that in the first place.
Okay... but that being said.
Nathan can still come back. I've written fanfiction for a couple of years (and read it) and there are plenty of ways a creative writer could bring Nathan back without using the blood factor... and could actually make it a significant plot line that plays out for a while (keeping Peter preoccupied and his trap shut, lest he put his brother in more danger).
For example, the bullets don't have to be "fatal". They weren't shot from close range, and they could just barely miss his heart or organs, perhaps hitting him in a lung instead. There may be major injury and the chance that he could die, but he eventually recovers. After all, he was pretty darn healthy when he got shot... he had received Adam's miracle blood only a couple of weeks prior to this. I'm sure that blood spiffied him up pretty good (even though it's gone now).
As far as the press is concerned... they've already announced that he was "shot" and not that he was dead. If he makes a "dramatic" recovery, Matt could tell the press that they were concerned about some kind of preliminary strike against the former elect congressman, and they took precautions by having him wear a bullet-proof vest for the speech. As far as that goes, that could be one of the ways they "save" him without using blood. Have Peter take a jaunt back in time and tell Nathan to wear one for the speech (or Hiro... I realize Hiro isn't on the best of terms with Peter, but he still really likes "flying man" - if he sees this on TV or something, he could go back in time and warn Nathan??? Yes, I know, his dad said not to play god... but this is a little different).
All I'm saying is that if Matt Parkman can survive at least 4 bullets (can't remember, 4 or 5?) to the chest, then surely Nathan can survive 2. Especially since he's at a freaking police station and help will be there any second.
Just my opinion.
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Nicky!! I am, like many, not as pleased with Season 2, but i still savored every minute of it and still crave more! If i ever get to the point where i hate any show then i will make a choice to not watch it.
I do think that we cannot watch this show with the expectation of being reality based, it is fiction, it is fun, and believe it or not, it is bigger than LIFE . Being bigger than life is what makes it fun to me. |
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As far as HRG helping Eden..
Never could have happened. Eden shot herself through the head. Remeber Adam's comment? Blow your head off? There's no coming back from that one.
Her brain was no longer a viable organ. Since that's the case, no matter what kind of "miracle cure" they could ever have on hand, it still wouldn't revive Eden. Same goes for any other evolved hero with a missing brain. (Dale, Zane, etc..)
I'd think that the major point that we're missing here is fairly obvious, but also quite shady at the same time..
What lengths is the Company willing to go to in order to keep the existance of evolved humans a secret? And, are there more than one faction in the Company?
These two questions are what is going to be answered this next season, I think. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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As far as HRG helping Eden..
Never could have happened. Eden shot herself through the head. Remeber Adam's comment? Blow your head off? There's no coming back from that one. |
Which was demonstrated to be a lie when Noah was shot straight in the face (through his eyeball and straight into his brain) and still recovered as a result of the miracle blood. Peter and Claire also both recovered from traumatic, fatal injuries to the brain (albeit after the object was removed, but how is that any different from a bullet?). I swear sometimes these writers don't watch their own show!
I mean, honestly. What are the viable excuses for that? The blood can heal someone ELSE'S brain but not your own (oh, and by the way, it will heal your brain if the object is removed)? Noah was shot in a different part of his brain than the one Adam was talking about? *sigh*
They should have stuck to brain REMOVAL (being decapitated or Sylarized) rather than putting in a stupid line about how shooting a healer square in the head will kill them, when the show has clearly given evidence that runs contrary to such a statement. After all, if you removed the bullet, why wouldn't they just heal up like Claire and Peter did in Volume 1?
Eden shot herself in the head. Noah was shot in the head. The difference is moot.
I am almost of the opinion that they should have never put resurrection in the show at all. Remove the head? Well, why wouldn't the head just generate a new body? Since the body can some how reanimate hours after death by the simple removal of an object, it doesn't seem that far fetched.
In the show's actual continuity, how much of the torso is necessary for the head to regenerate body parts, since apparently cutting off the head is fatal? Honestly.
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I dont believe Noahs head was blown apart like Eden's was, i do believe that maybe Noah was saved by his glasses taking the brunt force of the bullet, thus it slightened the damage to the brain pan, he probably shut his eye too, thus lending another layer to absorb some of the kinetic energy, again lessening the damage
I am not really sure, but, noah does have some pretty thick eyelashes, they too could have helped in this scenario by adding a degree of friction against the lead compound of the bullet, unless anyone knows wether it was maybe a teflon coated projectile............. Hmm maybe i should rethink this?
NAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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I dont believe Noahs head was blown apart like Eden's was, i do believe that maybe Noah was saved by his glasses taking the brunt force of the bullet, thus it slightened the damage to the brain pan, he probably shut his eye too, thus lending another layer to absorb some of the kinetic energy, again lessening the damage  |
Rose colored glasses. (yours, not Noah's)
It's called bad writing.
If I shot you in the head through the eye, it would almost assuredly cause irreversible brain damage and probably immediate death. If I shot you in the eye through a thin window, it'd probably be about the same.
Adam and Angela both said one shot square to the head, not "if your head is blown to pieces." |
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| I really do believe this show is the worst one on television to date, im gunna quit watching it all together, yeah thats the ticket and maybe now i wont be assualted with the sheer ignorance of the program. |
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| I really do believe this show is the worst one on television to date, im gunna quit watching it all together, yeah thats the ticket and maybe now i wont be assualted with the sheer ignorance of the program. |
Oh, my. I thought we were having a discussion.
Let me try mine now...
"Oh, this show is just oh so great! I love the way they contradict their own continuity rules and ignore important components of the story they've written so far! Since it's a fantasy show, not only does it not have to be realistic, but it also doesn't have to make sense! I mean, who cares what they said in Volume 1? I love retcon! I also love it when the characters learn nothing from past experiences, relive extremely similar scenarios, and make quantifiably dumber decisions to boot! I mean, why should characters develop? Why should they learn anything? Who cares about the quality of one of my favorite shows?! Even if the quality continues to exponentially decline, I just can't wait for more!!! They can do no wrong!!!"
No, you're not that bad. I just teasing.
Honestly, dude. I like this show. Or at least, I did like it. I'll be tuning in when it comes back, but unless there is a change of quality, I'll be tuning out and choosing to just watch Volume 1 when I feel the need for Heroes (sort of like how I won't touch the Matrix sequels (AWFUL films!) with a 40-foot pole, but still enjoy the heck out of the first one again every once in a while).
I hate to say it, but some elements of this show scream "built for failure."
Vote online for the next Hero? Create your own Hero for a new series? I mean, I appreciate they're trying to be interactive, but don't they have writers for this? In my experiences, fanboys and fangirls are often the WORST judge of what should or should not be the next step for a show. People may hate the Star Wars prequels, but left in the hands of the fans (and I frequented those boards, so I know) it would have been a hilarious crapfest of cloned emperors and Han Solo as a small child and blah blah blah.
Also, the writers have installed 3 MAJOR ELEMENTS into the show to allow themselves to wriggle out of the corners they may or may not paint themselves into.
1. Time travel
2. Miracle blood
3. Memory erasing
I mean, it's like they could do (and in some ways have done) what Dallas did with its season that was all a dream. They cancel stuff out using these three convenient (i.e. somewhat cheap) tricks. They're dead? Not anymore. Saw something they shouldn't have seen? Not anymore. Missed participation in a pivotal seen? Let's go to the past. Eek! Numbers 1 and 3 aren't bad in and of themselves, but the ways they can be used are just awful, like with Peter basically repeating his entire character development arc this season because he just forgot EVERYTHING.
Again, they can turn it around. I was on board until around "Out of Time" this season, but everything they seemed to be setting up just fall flat. "Truth & Consequences" sealed the deal on the season's subpar quality. Here's looking forward to "Villains"!
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