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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do like your reasoning regarding Mohinder, Jormengrund - it certainly works better than my "Mohinder's just been written as an idiot" statement!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I have to agree with you Slippy. Mohinder to this point has been a wandering idiot. However, most brilliant scientists tend to follow set guidelines. They need to follow their formulas, and get the readings and data for themselves before actually believing what they're experiencing.

Thus my take on Mohinder is that he's a skeptic that wants to believe, but so far the evidence isn't leading him anywhere that he wants or can believe yet. However, because he can't disprove the idea, he's still searching for the elusive evidence.

But each time he finds a viable option in his opinion, he's going to go through the same steps. In Sylar's case, once he'd figured out who he was, he wanted to test, but he wanted to also make Sylar pay. Thus the tests were rudimentary and painful. Payback of a sort. Now if he gets through all this in one piece, I think Mohinder's going to be one useful person for Peter to have around. Someone that can analyze what is going on, and be able to use his father's formula to narrow down what's going on, and who to help next.

Interesting times coming up ahead!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming Moh survives, of course.....oh where's a healer when you need one...ooh, hang on a minute.....Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A healer?? Well, just check out the new comic of course? Who are we supposing the Hero is?

Mr. Linderman? Mr. Petrelli Sr.?

Also, A thought. Is Hiro's dad really Hiro's dad? Or could Hiro be an "adopted son" Like Claire was adopted. We now know that Mr. Nakamura was involved with Primatech Paper at one point in the past (and most likely still is).

Also, what is Linderman's connections to everything. Does he work for the Company. Against. Did he work for them? Does he have a power?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I proposed that idea in another thread Gothenem.

Since then, I've come to think it over a bit more, and if Hiro was raised in a traditional Japanese fashion, then he's not adopted, as that would be a great loss of face for the family. A father unable to sire a male child would be ridiculed incessantly, and would not be able to rise to the place of power and stature that Hiro's dad is in.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but come on man, i mean hiro's dad is the head of yamagato industries, and a big player in the company. IF he isn't hiro's real father i think it would be unbelievably easy for him to:

A. Not care whether the child is really his or not. He's head of a company what are you gonna tell him.

B. Cover up the fact that it's not his. We haven't learned anything about the mom so we don't know if she had a miscarriage and hiro was brought in to replace that and the public would have no idea.

C. Never let the public or anyone see his wife or simply before his rise to fame claim that his wife died and had this baby.

If i was in japan and never saw hiro's dad or knew nothing about him at all. I wouldn't have anything else to believe but the fact that hiro is his son. In fact i wouldn't even fathom that he adopted him just because of what you said about japanese families losing face beause of it.
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However, when Hiro's dad was rising into power in his company, he would have been scrutinized at every level. Not the least of which would be family. So my argument still stands. There's nothing proving that Hiro isn't Mr. Nakamura's son, so I'm going with what I know of Asian culture to assume he really is for now.

I've been known to be wrong before, so if the writers prove me wrong, then I'll bow to your theory Alucard.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking that Hiro being adopted would be one too many plot twists... I mean, isn't there enough drama with the Petrellis' for one show? lol. If Hiro turns out to be adopted, I'm going to rename the series "Alias 2".. haha.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A slight modification to the adoption theory: Hiro is a nephew. When children lose their parents, they tend to be adopted by aunts and uncles, if they are available. For example, if Kaito Nakamura had an older brother who died (and the older brother's wife died as well), he might inherit the company and adopt his child(ren).

I don't think this is likely, but I wanted to float it as a possibility.

I know a woman born in Hawaii whose mother died when she was about five. The father was assumed not to be able to take care of small children, so she and her brothers were sent back to Japan and adopted by relatives. They didn't all end up in one household, and which aunt/uncle they went to made a difference in how their lives turned out.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another update on Beeman's blog.

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The reveal that Mrs. Petrelli was the one The Haitian was working for was just brilliant. I’ve loved the character since the pilot: Great combination of a great actor and a character you just want to know more about. Much like Nathan, she’s complex. Any thoughts on doing a “Company Man” like episode for Mrs. Petrelli? And can you give any hints as to what her story is? Also, was it just me or when Mrs. Petrelli was talking in English did one of her words tilt to a little bit of a French accent? Was that a clue? Whatever you do, don’t let Cristine Rose go, she’s just wonderful. We need more great strong female characters (of all ages).

I agree she’s a great character, and Cristine Rose, the actress, continually impresses and surprises us with the choices she makes. While her character is evolving and expanding, there are no plans this season for an episode that singles her out. As for hints – no I am not allowed by binding contract – to give any. I suspect that, if our heroes can stop NYC from ka-boooming, her story will continue to expand.


Sounds like she may be in Season 2, imo, the way he phrased it. And if Austin/Dallas are indeed Linderman/Petrelli, I have a feeling they've been setting us up for Season 2 all along, and we just didn't know it.

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As for my questions, I have two which are about two of the powers shown in the series thus far. Did Peter absorb all of the powers Sylar had at the time of their first encounter or was it only the power that Sylar was using? This question has caused a lot of debate on the message boards I frequent and there doesn’t seem to be a real clear-cut answer. He did gain the healing ability that Claire has from their encounter but I assumed that her ability was something that is constantly active and not something she could ever turn off or on. Sylar on the other hand has a multitude of abilities and can turn them on and off at will, from what we’ve been shown so far, so the encounter with Claire was a unique one for Peter at the time.

Guess what? I don’t know. Obviously, though, Peter only absorbed the telekinesis – which Sylar was actively using. And he did not absorb freeze-o power, super memory or the incredible pot-melting ability.


Interesting. Looks like we were wrong on that part. Peter DOESN'T get an updated list of abilities everytime he encounters Sylar... just the one he's actively using, it looks like.

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Speaking of Claire, another question about her powers came up as well. It’s been shown that a stick lodged in her brain seemed to halt her regeneration, so I assume that her abilities are controlled by some aspect of her brain. Some people have speculated that even if Sylar was to kill Claire and remove her brain, she would still recover. I personally don’t think that is the case since her brain seems so important in what she can do.

The writers tried to clearly show that if Claire’s brain is cut off from her spinal column she is in fact dead. In Ep 3 -the stick in her neck severed her spinal cord, and she was dead. When it was removed she was able too regenerate. But if Sylar takes Claire’s brain she would be dead dead dead – with no capacity to regenerate.


Another debate to an end.

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Is the source and/or meaning of the symbol that the Haitian wears and Jessica’s tattoo going to be revealed this season? Especially why seemingly unconnected people all connect to it?

I’m not sure about this one either … but I have theories… First of all the symbol is a half-helix, half of a normal DNA strand. That I know. Secondly, I’m beginning to think it’s a purposeful secret symbol that is symbolically important to some group. (A group which probably includes Linderman, Mr. Deveaux and Hiro’s father,) The placement of the symbol could (a) signify an officially sanctioned location. (b) could mark a “special” to the group or (c) Could function as a warning tag that opposing groups have thrown up.

But, be clear, these theories of mine are no more valid than any other chatroom speculation. All I know is Tim Kring told us that the symbol was important he tells us when he wants to see it in specific locations… He never revealed why.


Curious. Why does he think there was ever a group between Linderman, Deveaux and Mr. Nakamura? Granted he says it himself it's speculation... but I took that to mean the theories on the Symbol itself were speculation. He sounded pretty confident that such a group existed. What's more, it looks like there may be others in the group, but he deleted them for some reason or another. At the end of the parenthesis, there's another comma, indicating another person on the list. A typo is a bit far fetched, as the comma key is nowhere near the R key, or the ) key. He'd need some REALLY fat fingers to fat-finger that one.

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What happened to Hana/Wireless?

She is around and will recur. Her character is especially active in the on-line comic book and the 360 experience. In ep 16, Matt asked if she was coming to Odessa and she said “Not this time.”

You will see her again this season.


Good news.

There's more questions, but most of the others are about production values and differences between Heroes and Smallville (Greg Beeman worked on that show, as well). So I picked the ones that had the most relevancy to us, as spoilerphiles.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for my questions, I have two which are about two of the powers shown in the series thus far. Did Peter absorb all of the powers Sylar had at the time of their first encounter or was it only the power that Sylar was using? This question has caused a lot of debate on the message boards I frequent and there doesn’t seem to be a real clear-cut answer. He did gain the healing ability that Claire has from their encounter but I assumed that her ability was something that is constantly active and not something she could ever turn off or on. Sylar on the other hand has a multitude of abilities and can turn them on and off at will, from what we’ve been shown so far, so the encounter with Claire was a unique one for Peter at the time.

Guess what? I don’t know. Obviously, though, Peter only absorbed the telekinesis – which Sylar was actively using. And he did not absorb freeze-o power, super memory or the incredible pot-melting ability.



Note that he says he has no clue.

There is new info that not only contradicts this, but also contradicts previously explained things from writers:

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Writer Joe Pokaski confirmed in the March 2007 Wizard World Q&A session (with Tim Kring present), that only being in the presence of Sylar gives Peter all of his powers. (Whether they are actually used or not). This means that as of the meeting between Sylar and Peter in (Parasite), Peter now can be confirmed to have absorbed these additional powers: (even though he may not be aware he now has them)
Cryokenesis (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Enhanced Hearing (from Sylar in Parasite)
Enhanced Memory (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Intuitive Aptitude (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Liquification (from Sylar in Parasite)
Mental Manipulation (from the Haitian in Unexpected)
Persuasion (from Eden in Collision)
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strange that those last 2 are listed at all, since:

A: Sylar does NOT have these powers

B: It was stated by writers before that peter did NOT have these abilities.


but if what Pokaski said is true, well then Peter just got a whole lot more powerful than we'd figured. Good luck, Sylar!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another update on Beeman's blog.

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Guess what? I don’t know. Obviously, though, Peter only absorbed the telekinesis – which Sylar was actively using. And he did not absorb freeze-o power, super memory or the incredible pot-melting ability.


Interesting. Looks like we were wrong on that part. Peter DOESN'T get an updated list of abilities everytime he encounters Sylar... just the one he's actively using, it looks like.


At last, I've been waiting so long to answer that one...can we extend that to assume that Peter can ONLY absorb an ability that is actively being used? I think we can. I also think that was one I sided with early on.....someone correct me if I'm wrong - my memory is poor, and I have too many posts to check!

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The writers tried to clearly show that if Claire’s brain is cut off from her spinal column she is in fact dead. In Ep 3 -the stick in her neck severed her spinal cord, and she was dead. When it was removed she was able too regenerate. But if Sylar takes Claire’s brain she would be dead dead dead – with no capacity to regenerate.


Another debate to an end.


Hmmm, can't remember which side of that argument I was on!!!
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Cryokenesis (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Enhanced Hearing (from Sylar in Parasite)
Enhanced Memory (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Intuitive Aptitude (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Liquification (from Sylar in Parasite)
Mental Manipulation (from the Haitian in Unexpected)
Persuasion (from Eden in Collision)
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strange that those last 2 are listed at all, since:

A: Sylar does NOT have these powers


Well, duh....that's why they stated who they come from and when Peter encountered them. They're listing Peter's supposed abilities.

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B: It was stated by writers before that peter did NOT have these abilities.


Judging from this stuff, and the video of the Wizard World Q&A panel, I'd say the creative team are quite often at odds with each other regarding how specific abilities or characters work.

Unless or until we see Peter using powers we haven't previously seen used in his presence, there's no harm in assuming he doesn't have them.
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Is the source and/or meaning of the symbol that the Haitian wears and Jessica’s tattoo going to be revealed this season? Especially why seemingly unconnected people all connect to it?

I’m not sure about this one either … but I have theories… First of all the symbol is a half-helix, half of a normal DNA strand. That I know. Secondly, I’m beginning to think it’s a purposeful secret symbol that is symbolically important to some group. (A group which probably includes Linderman, Mr. Deveaux and Hiro’s father,) The placement of the symbol could (a) signify an officially sanctioned location. (b) could mark a “special” to the group or (c) Could function as a warning tag that opposing groups have thrown up.

But, be clear, these theories of mine are no more valid than any other chatroom speculation. All I know is Tim Kring told us that the symbol was important he tells us when he wants to see it in specific locations… He never revealed why.


Curious. Why does he think there was ever a group between Linderman, Deveaux and Mr. Nakamura? Granted he says it himself it's speculation... but I took that to mean the theories on the Symbol itself were speculation. He sounded pretty confident that such a group existed. What's more, it looks like there may be others in the group, but he deleted them for some reason or another. At the end of the parenthesis, there's another comma, indicating another person on the list. A typo is a bit far fetched, as the comma key is nowhere near the R key, or the ) key. He'd need some REALLY fat fingers to fat-finger that one.

It coudl have been a typo - he could have been meaning to put a "." which is right next to "," Wink
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