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Hercules67 · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject:

[quote="Action Figure"]

Guaxini · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject:

so i guess in a way they are each able to slow down things around them (or speed themselves up relative to objects around them), but daphne can't teleport like hiro, and hiro can't run 100 miles like daphne without getting exhausted.

Guaxini · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject:

and i agree that if hiro completely stops time, rather than just moving with a speed so much greater than everything around him (whereas the velocity of these objects can said to be negligible) than unless daphne also actually manipulates time rather than just running fast, it makes no sense for her to be able to move while time is stopped.

however, it could be that hiro is going so much faster than everything around him that the velocity of these objects/people is negligible giving the appearance that time is stopped. the writers may have said in the past that he stops time, but that may have been because they, just as hiro, just as us, believed that time was completely stopped, whereas they now realize that it only appears so. i'm going to go with this if it is the case that daphne can move at normal person speed when hiro "stops" time.

i remember an argument that for hiro to be able to reverse time that for it to go from positive time to negative time (normal to backwards) that it has to pass through 0. but this doesn't have to be the case. it could be undefined at 0 which is why it only moves really slow. a simple example of how it could be undefined at 0 but still pass from positive to negative is the function f(x)= 3x/x, and it makes sense that hiro could pass from positive to negative without crossing 0, considering that when he time travels he jumps from one point in time to another, therefore the timeline is not continuous between those two points. suppose we set his origin of time as august 29th at exactly 5:18:00 PM. Hiro sits around for a few minutes and decides to see what will happen in one hour. So he travels there. Time is continuous from 5:18:00 PM to whenever he leaves, around 5:20. but it is not continuous from 5:20-6:20. therefore, if time doesn't have to be continuous from 5:20-6:20, why does it have to be continuous and pass through and be defined at 0 in order for him to reverse it? sorry to get mathmatical.

Hercules67 · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:08 am Post subject:

Two problems:

Time is non-linear.

And,

Heroes is a TV show, so they can do whatever they please.

So arguing is mute.

kac · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:27 am Post subject:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYuL8YPSpVY

elle and Noah on the set

deftonesdea · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:06 am Post subject:

just wanna stop in to say "thx 100% a BUNCH" to kac....

its been a long time coming but, i appreciate what you do ALOT, i have to admit you're posts were a bunch of jumble at first, but i've found my way...they've gotten alot better, and , yea its hard to get the comics---hiros references (although i read em all the time)

i appreciate your commitment+effort, thanks oh so much, keep it up!

p.s. - comics are awesome

Action Figure · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:36 am Post subject:

Darcy · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:56 am Post subject:

popkorn615 · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:19 am Post subject:

jocko7 · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:37 am Post subject:

I think we need to start looking to the graphic novels for more hints. If you remember my previous posts about "Walls", where Peter & Hiro were freeing Nicki from prison, there was a moment where they were "unable to stop time". This was due to the presence of Daphne and her super speed. (Now Verified) Granted, I don't think the writers had clearly thought out their story (or does it only appear that way?). Nonetheless, we see in an early novel a power revealed only to show itself in a SECOND SPOILER on camera for SEASON 3! Lets give the Graphic Novels a little more credit than we have been...

I think Season 3 is going to be great. Spoilers and hints filled with more Surprises. Awesome.....

By the way, I think Daphne's power is explained in simple terms. She moves at such fast and accelerated speed (faster than super sonic flight obviously - ANOTHER SPOILER? Running faster than Nathan can fly. Hey, Flash was faster than Superman - right?) that she is arriving at moments in time that have "not yet happened". Think of it as a sort of time moving forward at normal speed, and she moves in "blessed acceleration" which is on the "verge of ALMOST breaking the time barrier" - thus she is on the verge of arriving to a future point faster than time itself. On the other hand, Hiro's power works by a different mechanism - teleportation - essentially forgoing the "need for speed". He can manipulate the time speed (as has been theorized) to the point of also being able to "teleport backwards". Not sure if that makes any sense, but I like it in terms of a "COMIC STRIP". (Which is the epitomy of this series. I mean, Fantastic Four and "cosmic radiation". Enough said. Did we pick apart the Spider Man series this way?)

Comic Strip being the key points Ladies, Gentlemen, Kids, and all Heroes Fans. Its not like we're trying to discover the secrets of Chaos Theory, Quantum Physics, Some Undiscovered branch of science, and all at the same time solve the very mysterues of life all in 3 Seasons of a TV Show made to "entertain". This isn't MIT productions meets Nasa. It's Hollywood entertainment. Let us not forget that.

Darcy · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:18 am Post subject:

Thanks PK, the other thing I think about Peter is that Nathan is something like in his 40's, and Peter's only like 28. It only seems logical that they decided to stop at one child, Nathan, but was given Peter. Seriously, who neglects their child for someone in their late teens? Would you neglect your 6 year old child for someone probably over 20? I seriously doubt it. But obviously, Angela cares more for Peter than she does for Nathan since she told him "You were always my favourite, I cannot lose you."

I also think the Echo situation is because of that statement that Echo's known her for a long time, even if he can't remember it. Sounds like he got Haitian'd, which we've talked about several pages back that the Haitian works directly for Angela.

Darcy · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:27 am Post subject:

Oops. Almost forgot to talk about your point Jock. You make a lot of sense, even your point on Hiro. I don't actually agree though. Hiro's said he can bend the space/time continuum. That's what I think he actually does, he literally bends it. Meaning he can bend space so he can move himself wherever he wants at any particular moment, and he bends time so imagining time as a loop, he can bend that loop so that he goes to a different time. Also with bending time, he can bend it so it's continuously staying at a certain point of time, and he can probably stretch time so it slows down, or compact time so it goes faster. But he doesn't exist in time, so he's unaffected by these changes. As for Daphne, when Hiro loops time at a particular moment, Daphne's quick reflexes allows her to still move.

JessicaSanders · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject:

the graphic novels gave the spoiler about jessica and dl's gang before it was actually full yknown. they really do give info and spoilers.

that one was funny. "to the left to the right YANK"