Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:45 am Post subject: Explosion Theory
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HRG--Yes, I think Mr. Bennett has an ability. I don't know what it is just yet, but to me, the biggest clue to its existence is Peter. When HRG walked into his cell with Claire, that's when Peter started coughing and getting sickly. There's some sort of corruption surrounding HRG, and Peter picked it up immediately (just as he got Matt's headaches.) This also supports my theory of the Hatian's general power supression, as I don't believe he was around when HRG walked into the cell, allowing for the "exchange of illness." And if HRG does have such negative effects from his "specialness," it'd make sense for him to want to keep Mr. Supressy around.
Sylar--So we all know his "base power." He sees how things work. I gotta give credit to the writers of the show for creating a villain so nefarious that he's able to turn such an innocent-seeming power into something so threatening. So he can see how the other "special's" brains are different. But the real question is how does he contort his own brain to match, thus taking their powers? I seriously doubt he eats them. I suggest that he may have the ability to alter his own brain. Move stuff up there around at will. That's the only thing I can think of that makes sense.
Peter--It seems to me that he does more than "power share." It seems that his abilities are of an empathic nature. He establishes some sort of connection with the people he comes in contact with, allowing him to share their powers, but it also gives him visions regarding them. That's why he shared visions w/ Simone's Dad. That's why he saw Nathan's wreck, and why he dreamt of flying. In all cases of the visions, they seem to involve someone he had been in contact with, and never himself directly.
Synthesis:
I believe that the vision that Peter has is not of himself exploding but of either Sylar (having killed Ted and stolen his power, and not being able to control it,) OR of ...
now hear me out...
HRG. Peter had just come in contact with him, gotten sick (per my HRG sick power theory), and then collapsed into this vision. I don't know what would lead to HRG having explodey abilities, but a possible theory would be that he learns to steal them like Sylar. Possibly even that Sylar steals Teds, then HRG steals Sylar's. But regardless, it would explain the other hero's reactions in the vision, particularly Claires.
Yeah. It's out there. I know. But hey, anything's possible right now. At the very least, I'd say that Peter, Sylar, and HRG are all likely candidates for being "tha bomb.". Ted, maybe, but I honestly don't think so at this point.
This was said by a guy in the Season 1 forum and I thought it would be best to bring it over here. I like the idea of this being HRG for one reason. Claire was saying "Sorry" to Peter. What if Claire was really saying sorry to HRG because of the fact that she kept that secret from him?
I think that Peter gets close to the radiation guy, and "gets sick again" thereby not being able to control the power and unleashing the huge explosion on New York, if that makes any sense at all.
That makes since, but I don't believe it was Peter. For some reason I don't. I can't wait to see this...If only I was Hiro and could hop into the future and watch all of the episodes...
I think that Peter gets close to the radiation guy, and "gets sick again" thereby not being able to control the power and unleashing the huge explosion on New York, if that makes any sense at all.
That's a very feasible theory, and actually the first theory I had come to when I thought about this scene. However, I think the fact that all of the other heroes are present in the scene with him is a very important factor to consider (Nikki, DL, Micha, Matt, Claire, Isaac, Hiro, and Nathan). We've heard through the grapevine that the reason he collapsed at the end of "Fallout" was because of the number of powers he has absorbed within the first 11 episodes and how it, in a sense, overloaded his body. Thus, I think that all of the heroes being present in his dream with him in NYC is a sign that he "explodes" because of the overwhelming power that he is absorbing at that one given moment and his inability to control them at this point in the series. What does everybody else think about my popkorn-y theory?
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: Alternate Bomb/Villain Theory
Just as in any good comic book, there will be different villains to evolve the characters of our heroes. Imagine if Batman only fought the Joker exclusively how stale that would have been. This is just a theory and not really backed up by anything (yet), but i feel like Sylar and the bomb aren't a match and neither is Peter losing control of multiple powers. I'll tick off a few points, add to them, add your own or discredit them.
1. Sylar wants power, for whatever reason. he wants to harvest them not destroy them. you're saying that in two weeks he's able to harvest all of nyc and decides to wipe it off the map?
2. I think Sylar has an idea about what he's harvesting but not the potential until he's used it a few times. I'll use the riding a bicycle comparison. You weren't popping wheelies first time out. Just per his personality thus far, Sylar doesn't want to die. And without a period of time to learn the boundaries of his power, i doubt he would go supernova without fear of dieing.
3. this one is hard to explain but bear with me. The future that hiro saw with isaac dead was the future before peter stopped Sylar from killing Claire. That path has changed. But the bomb still exists (isaac painting) so that leads us to the theory of another villian that has not been affected by that change.
4. A character is being introduced for the exact purpose of helping Peter control his powers.
5. A bomb is an act of rage, a giant glowing sign. Sylar still operates in the shadows and i don't believe Sylar thinks he's complete enough to announce himself to the world.
6. sometimes a bomb is a bomb.
ok, alternate villian time
when Hiro jumps to the future, Sylar is doing his thing as normal (slicing and dicing), he's killed one of our heroes without too much of a fight. Nathan Petrelli wins in a landslide then boom. no more nyc.
jump to Peter's dream and where are they? Nathan's compaign headquarters where Peter seems to explode.
connection (slim but hey it's speculation)- Nathan Petrelli
we know he hasn't been the most supportive.
he's slept around on his wife
he's kept her hidden from the media
he flew out of the car and watched it crash and cripple his wife (forget her name)
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
our villian is Nathan's wife.
I'm pretty confident that the explosion will be centered around his headquarters. It would be the ultimate act of rage- these people, winning this election was more important than me, well look at what i can do to you sort of thing.
who's the least affected by the Sylar storyline? Nathan, because he's working on his campaign. The Sylar timeline has changed (no claires power) but the bomb timeline has not. Again this leads to a Nathan connection and i seriosly doubt that he's put all his time, money and energy into winning that election and turn around and blow up the city.
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Alternate Bomb/Villain Theory
firesignpunk wrote:
Just as in any good comic book, there will be different villains to evolve the characters of our heroes. Imagine if Batman only fought the Joker exclusively how stale that would have been. This is just a theory and not really backed up by anything (yet), but i feel like Sylar and the bomb aren't a match and neither is Peter losing control of multiple powers. I'll tick off a few points, add to them, add your own or discredit them.
1. Sylar wants power, for whatever reason. he wants to harvest them not destroy them. you're saying that in two weeks he's able to harvest all of nyc and decides to wipe it off the map?
2. I think Sylar has an idea about what he's harvesting but not the potential until he's used it a few times. I'll use the riding a bicycle comparison. You weren't popping wheelies first time out. Just per his personality thus far, Sylar doesn't want to die. And without a period of time to learn the boundaries of his power, i doubt he would go supernova without fear of dieing.
3. this one is hard to explain but bear with me. The future that hiro saw with isaac dead was the future before peter stopped Sylar from killing Claire. That path has changed. But the bomb still exists (isaac painting) so that leads us to the theory of another villian that has not been affected by that change.
4. A character is being introduced for the exact purpose of helping Peter control his powers.
5. A bomb is an act of rage, a giant glowing sign. Sylar still operates in the shadows and i don't believe Sylar thinks he's complete enough to announce himself to the world.
6. sometimes a bomb is a bomb.
ok, alternate villian time
when Hiro jumps to the future, Sylar is doing his thing as normal (slicing and dicing), he's killed one of our heroes without too much of a fight. Nathan Petrelli wins in a landslide then boom. no more nyc.
jump to Peter's dream and where are they? Nathan's compaign headquarters where Peter seems to explode.
connection (slim but hey it's speculation)- Nathan Petrelli
we know he hasn't been the most supportive.
he's slept around on his wife
he's kept her hidden from the media
he flew out of the car and watched it crash and cripple his wife (forget her name)
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
our villian is Nathan's wife.
I'm pretty confident that the explosion will be centered around his headquarters. It would be the ultimate act of rage- these people, winning this election was more important than me, well look at what i can do to you sort of thing.
who's the least affected by the Sylar storyline? Nathan, because he's working on his campaign. The Sylar timeline has changed (no claires power) but the bomb timeline has not. Again this leads to a Nathan connection and i seriosly doubt that he's put all his time, money and energy into winning that election and turn around and blow up the city.
sorry if that rambled on too long.
Firesignpunk, my friend, I really like this Nathan proposition. The bomb could indeed be the result of another villain (such as a wife seeking retribution against her heartless, lying husband, especially one who crippled her, or HOW ABOUT an enraged woman with a split-personality whom a certain Nathan had an affair with *cough*Jessica*ahem - just a possibility, albeit a slim one). Alternately, Nathan winning the election could push he and Peter even farther apart, causing Nathan to deny his powers fully, not to mention using Peter's "suicide" story to further make himself seem compassionate. Ultimately, this hurt and pain may push Peter to the brink of insanity... destruction... explosion. I like this idea of Nathan having more to do with the Explosion than we originally thought. After all, he is the last Heroes character that we see (other than Hiro) just before the bomb explodes in the future that Hiro saw.
So as of now, I'm going with either the fact that Peter overloads himself with so many powers and cannot control the overwhelming energy, or that the bomb has something to do with Nathan winning the election. Great job, Firesignpunk! I love a good theory when I see one!
Great theory, Firesignpunk! Nathan's wife is Heidi, BTW. That would be a great twist for the writers to have us (and Peter) all spinning our wheels about Peter being the cause of the explosion and then have it be something more normal. Of course, since this is a show about superheroes, there has to be a way for people with superpowers to stop it...
I think there is a lot more to Peter and Nathan's mother than we've seen so far, but I think she's ambitious on Nathan's behalf, so her involvement doesn't make sense with this particular scenario.
I think there is a lot more to Peter and Nathan's mother than we've seen so far, but I think she's ambitious on Nathan's behalf, so her involvement doesn't make sense with this particular scenario.
I think so as well, Payquage, and I really hope that her character develops and we find out more about her. Actually, I really would like Nathan's whole storyline in general to develop, since, after all, it has been a while (we haven't seen any real development of his story since the episode with the family brunch).
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: timeline paradox?
Here's something that just popped into my head. We know that Sylar was in NYC around the time of the explosion, and that the explosion was pretty large, say knocking the whole of the city right off the map. What if Sylar died in that blast?
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Alternate Bomb/Villain Theory
firesignpunk wrote:
connection (slim but hey it's speculation)- Nathan Petrelli
we know he hasn't been the most supportive.
he's slept around on his wife
he's kept her hidden from the media
he flew out of the car and watched it crash and cripple his wife (forget her name)
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
our villian is Nathan's wife.
I'm pretty confident that the explosion will be centered around his headquarters. It would be the ultimate act of rage- these people, winning this election was more important than me, well look at what i can do to you sort of thing.
who's the least affected by the Sylar storyline? Nathan, because he's working on his campaign. The Sylar timeline has changed (no claires power) but the bomb timeline has not. Again this leads to a Nathan connection and i seriosly doubt that he's put all his time, money and energy into winning that election and turn around and blow up the city.
Or what if Nathan somehow pisses Linderman off again, and this is his retribotion? We've seen him try to wipe out Nathan once before in "Six Months Ago" -- what if he tries again, maybe forcing Ted somehow to blow up the campaign HQ, but something goes wrong and the whole city gets wiped out instead? Maybe Peter tries to stop Ted and loses control of the radiation ability. Just because Claude will start mentoring Peter in "Godsend" doesn't mean he can't still overload being surrounded by all our heroes at once PLUS a dude who emits tons of radiation whenever he gets emotional...something which Peter, as an empath, does a lot lol.
And, although I really like that H.R.G. theory at the top, it only accounts for Claire's reaction, not anyone else's.
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