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Razasz · Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject: death of Adam

How could anyone know how to kill Adam if he is still alive?

In my opinion if "bullet right trough head" is an only option to kill him, then it had to be checked. And if it was, how the hell he is still alive?

Even Adam should not know how he could be killed. His knowledge about that is kind of strange.

KombatKoala · Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject:

I think i may know...the only person who knew that other than Adam himself was Angela. Perhaps her husband had the same ability which would explain why he had such trouble committing suicide. And it wouldnt be going so far to say that Adam found someone with the same power during his 400 year lifetime and tested them to find out what it would take to kill them.

Sikorsky · Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject:

Well, it's kind of obvious, if you think about it. Sylar eats the brains of evolved humans. Why? To obtain their powers. Therefore, we can conclude that the control system for the powers is the brain. Take out the brain, the power stops working. Once Adam's power stops working, he can't heal himself and would die from a bullet through the head, or, for that matter, any other way of destroying his brain.

Razasz · Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:19 am Post subject:

It's not so obvious that brains control every power. Isn't it that the blood of Claire and Adam has healing power out of their organisms?

And as far as I know HRG had his brain at least partially destroyed, when his daughter's blood healed him.

Ambience 327 · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject:

As did both Peter and Claire at various times - but once the obstruction (a tree branch/root or a piece of glass) was removed, they healed just fine.

Sikorsky · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject:

Indeed. But that may be because the part of the brain that controls their powers was not damaged too severely. Also, when the blood is put into other people it just works it's magic somehow. Actually, this may be because the brain orders the healing cells to be produced, and it's these blood cells which do the actual healing, which explains the transfusion thing, but if the brain is unable to order the production of new healing blood cells the current ones will eventually die and the body can no longer be healed. I also think that if they are left long enough without any new healing blood cells, they will die when these do and will never be able to come back unless their brain is somehow healed by an exterior agent. This theory also explains why they can't heal if their brain is punctured - the healing blood cells can't reach the brain to heal it, which also explains why they will eventually die if the object isn't removed from their brain, because if the brain can't be healed no more healing blood cells can be produced to heal the rest of the body. If, however, the object is removed, the remaining healing blood cells will heal the brain, which will then order the production of new healing blood cells. So even if they did die properly, it would be possible to bring them back to life by healing their brain some other way.

Blufyre77 · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject:

Yeah, the show seems to be treating this ability really badly in terms of continuity (and explanation) and it is pretty difficult to figure out what the writers really think the rules are.

Sikorsky · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject:

Yeah. Sometimes it seems to me that the writers keep changing those rules, or are just not quite sure of them themselves.

Jormengrund · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject:

True, but for the most part, it's the brain that they're stressing about, so I'd say that brain death=death. Plain and simple. Decapitation, lobotomy, that sort of thing, and you can kiss those regenerators goodbye.

Blufyre77 · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:34 am Post subject:

Yes, as long as it is total lobotomy (entire brain removal). It seems like brain death does not necessarily mean death, but total brain destruction/removal does equal death.

robertdrake45 · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:41 am Post subject:

here s my problem with the whole " shoot 'em in the head" thing to kill Adam. He was blown up in a room full of gunpowder in feudal japan, and came back. he had to regen his whole body after something like that unless the head was intact.

Jormengrund · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject:

Actually, with the type of gunpowder that was used back then, Adam would've been burned to a crisp, but not blown to bits. Sadly, we're more refined now, and have better ways of making powder, so there's more likelihood of explosion and compression tearing someone apart. back then, most gunpowder was hand-ground, or mill-ground, and then barreled. Dampness and moisture tended to make the powder burn very dirty, thus there were quite a few mis-fires and such when using this volitile mixture.

That's one reason why they showed Adam's corpse as being completely charred. From horrendous burns he could regenerate. From his body being ripped to shreds by an explosion? Nah, not so much..

Blufyre77 · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:08 am Post subject:

I have come to the conclusion that Adam is lying about this particular subject, or the writers are doing it without knowing. A complete head destruction is what is needed to kill, and more than a shotgun blast would probably be needed. As long as a part of the brain is intact, it should end up fine. Adam was incorrect (lying or not) when he said the company didn't have a way to kill him and then said a shotgun blast to the head was fatal. Not only could Bob have just pulled another golden goose (a golden Adam would not be able to transmute itself back), but also could have just destroyed or removed his entire brain a la Sylar. Adam is definitely not to be trusted in this or any regard.

Ambience 327 · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject:

Or perhaps he was lying when he said that the Company would kill him if they could. They did, after all, want Claire for her blood. This is presumably because Adam had escaped four months prior.

I think they had been using Adam as their own personal "Get Out of Death Free" card, and they didn't like the fact that he got away. I don't think they would throw away something like Adam's blood on a whim - which is why he was still alive.

So maybe he really is telling the truth about how to kill himself, Peter and Claire. But he could only know that for sure if there had been either:

1) Another Regenerator, like himself, who had been killed in that fashion.

2) Another Empath, like Peter, who had absorbed his power and then been killed in that fasion.

If it is possible to kill a Regenerator, and Adam witnessed such an event, then one other thing is certain: Mrs Petrelli was present for the same event (or another similar event, but likely the same one).