Guess I'll be the first to claim it is her daughter -- half sister of Nathan, Peter, etc. That's why she wanted to take Claire to France, i.e. to meet the family.
AF -- As to the age thing, wouldn't she be closer to her 60s now with Nathan in his 40s?
I have an observation to make, and you all can either support it, or shoot it down, depending on how your memories of the show (and Season 1) are:
I recall, from the whole season, scenes in which, Angela is removing gloves, OR putting on gloves, even when it wasn't that cold. I recall many many scenes of this type. Now, at first look, these scenes could be associated with the way she dresses, but if indeed she has some sort of "killing" touch {in the vain of Rogue -- from X-men} then I am not surprised she would be wearing these gloves.
I have two more things to say:
1) A reservation: If you have this power, how are you able to interact with people and procreate? Can she turn it on and off (like Meredith)? Maybe, it's not an always on power, like Claire's...
2) If this is indeed Angela, then Claude is Hiding Angela. By the end of the GN, Haram will die and Claude would have spared her life. I can then almost guarantee that in Season 2 we will be treated to an Angela centric-episode, similar to "Company Man" where we will find out the exchange that occurred between Angela and Claude during the shoplifting of the shocks.
AF -- As to the age thing, wouldn't she be closer to her 60s now with Nathan in his 40s?
I have an observation to make, and you all can either support it, or shoot it down, depending on how your memories of the show (and Season 1) are:
I recall, from the whole season, scenes in which, Angela is removing gloves, OR putting on gloves, even when it wasn't that cold. I recall many many scenes of this type. Now, at first look, these scenes could be associated with the way she dresses, but if indeed she has some sort of "killing" touch {in the vain of Rogue -- from X-men} then I am not surprised she would be wearing these gloves.
I have two more things to say:
1) A reservation: If you have this power, how are you able to interact with people and procreate? Can she turn it on and off (like Meredith)? Maybe, it's not an always on power, like Claire's...
2) If this is indeed Angela, then Claude is Hiding Angela. By the end of the GN, Haram will die and Claude would have spared her life. I can then almost guarantee that in Season 2 we will be treated to an Angela centric-episode, similar to "Company Man" where we will find out the exchange that occurred between Angela and Claude during the shoplifting of the shocks.
Your second point is the main thing that sort of attracts me to theory that this is Angela. It just makes sense in the context of the upcoming season, and how they've been turning out the GNs. What keeps me from wholeheartedly accepting the theory is what I've posted above, about age and such. I'm still on the fence, at least until the next GN comes out, but a daughter/sister is quite possible in my mind.
And the age question should be directed at me, since I brought it up, but yes. I said she'd be in her late 50s/early 60s, depending on how old she was when she married Papa Petrelli (that's how I calculated her age). At the time of this GN, she'd be in her 40s, one year or so away from becoming a grandmother, if that helps to put the timeline in perspective.
Another potential clue to the accomplice being an empath...
She was able to quickly remove her handcuffs and put them on Haram as if by magic.
Now they couldn't be trick cuffs, as she wouldnt bother using them on Haram because he could escape from them. It seemed like it was done too quickly for it to be explained by her picking the lock, so maybe it was an ability. Perhaps phasing?
and we of course can't forget that Claude has encountered empaths before. maybe this is the first.
Wow, action. My eyes went from to when you said that. I totally forgot about that part of the novel. Whether or not she is Angela, I'm all for this mystery woman at least being an empath.
Hey so, let's think about this - if it truly is Angela, then that means she (Maximum Potential) gave birth to a boy with one ability (flying), and another boy who, himself, was also classified as 'Maximum Potential.' We must then ask ourselves, why are Nathan and Peter's powers SOOOO drastically different. There is only one reason I can think of that would allow a mother to produce one 'special' and one 'super-special.' My answer for this is because (it's been theorized somewhere before, maybe by me maybe by somebody else, doesn't matter) their FATHERS are different.
Think about this - Linderman and Papa Petrelli come home from Vietnam and make amends. They decide to work together. Nathan was a toddler at the time, 2-3 years old or so according to the Graphic Novel. Perhaps Angela was involved from the get go, but maybe she wasn't. What if she overheard the two of them talking one day and spilled the beans to Linderman that she, too, had an ability. Well, Linderman, knowing that Papa P. doesn't have one, is interested in what would happen if a special (Linderman - healing) and a super-special (Angela-empath) had offspring. As it so happens, that offspring is another super-special (Peter). Perhaps if two specials get together and have children, only one of those specials needs to be a 'super' in order for them to have 'super' offspring. It all goes back to Darwin and mating. To me, in regards to the extent of their abilities, it just doesn't make sense that Nathan and Peter are 100% brothers.
Blah - I'm way off on a tangent now, but it's summer, and I'm really feeling your theory, Action, lol. What do you, and everybody else, think?
Deftones- although it looks like you were the first to mention the theory on these boards, it had already been a pretty well known theory over at heroeswiki... so I dont know if you can call this one!
Herc- Nathan is probably 39 years old, and seeing that Angela's husband was about to go off to war, she may have gotten pregnant at a younger age than expected... thus making the math work out fairly well. I would read to much into how old a superpowered person looks drawn in a comic book anyway.
And I cant confirm the gloves thing... but I think you may be right.
PopK- Im still down on the different dads theory. Besides, ever done a punnett square? that could explain how one kid got one power, but another got something else. Besides... so far on the show the genetic power thing has basically been A+B=F. Doesnt seem to be much science to it or anything. Maybe Angela isnt technically an empath either, maybe she can just duplicate any ability. (which might explain that spoiler about her power being a lot like another, but its quicker to get from pointA to point B)
I agree on the genetic part AF. After all, if the powers were to combine, then micah's ability should be something that combined Phasing with Strength, not some techno-ability like he has. And Claire's ability would be something combining Fire and Flight, not Regeneration.
So my idea about different fathers could very well lead somewhere.. Even though I came up with that beauty back around episode 8 or so!
Looks like some of my really wild ideas latched on somewhere, and I've got a fan club! Well, I'm going to go brainstorm a few more wild ideas, just to see if they get used in Season 3!
Mwahahahahaha!
Oh, and I give you all the glory for helping my twisted mind come up with it all PK!
I am on board the age thing then, AF and Obsidian -- it seems to work.
And Jorm, in terms of the powers and you don't see the logic behind them (though, I don't know that the writers are thinking in this vain), I have said before that all of these powers: Flight, Meredith's power, Claire's regen, possibly Angela's power involve some sort of self protective ability first (self-regen first ability), and then the ability to project a power. Does that make sense? If Nathan wasn't able to protect his body, how could he fly? Same with Meredith. So, we can see how Claire's ability is a logical extension for their child.
It seems to me, if Angela has the ability to destroy things by "de-hydrating" things "simply with a touch", and Linderman has the ability to heal things "simply with a touch", although their powers seem opposite, it would appear very likely that Peter might be their son. This coming from someone who wants to hold on to the theory that Peter's father is Pa Petrelli who is the Boogeyman, who is generation's # 1 empath. This seems unlikely now... But I guess we'll find out within the next two GNs....
Deftones- although it looks like you were the first to mention the theory on these boards, it had already been a pretty well known theory over at heroeswiki... so I dont know if you can call this one!
Herc- Nathan is probably 39 years old, and seeing that Angela's husband was about to go off to war, she may have gotten pregnant at a younger age than expected... thus making the math work out fairly well. I would read to much into how old a superpowered person looks drawn in a comic book anyway.
And I cant confirm the gloves thing... but I think you may be right.
PopK- Im still down on the different dads theory. Besides, ever done a punnett square? that could explain how one kid got one power, but another got something else. Besides... so far on the show the genetic power thing has basically been A+B=F. Doesnt seem to be much science to it or anything. Maybe Angela isnt technically an empath either, maybe she can just duplicate any ability. (which might explain that spoiler about her power being a lot like another, but its quicker to get from pointA to point B)
Meant to say "wouldn't read too much into it" oops!
Im sure it was understood though.
BTW, I get Nathan's age from the year in which Dallas received the letter saying Nathan had taken his first steps. I took my first steps around 8 months, but i think most people do it around a year old. (my gf works w/ kids) so... you do the math I guess.... I get 39.
I just realized there is a current spoiler for a new character who is a "Francophone named Sophie."
The woman could be her. She could still technically be a "francophone" because that just means a French-speaking person, so she could still technically be an "American in Paris."
I recall, from the whole season, scenes in which, Angela is removing gloves, OR putting on gloves, even when it wasn't that cold. I recall many many scenes of this type. Now, at first look, these scenes could be associated with the way she dresses, but if indeed she has some sort of "killing" touch {in the vain of Rogue -- from X-men} then I am not surprised she would be wearing these gloves.
Holy poop, I didn't even realize you posted this, Herc! Sorry, lol. And, btw, that is an EXCELLENT catch! The only time I remember her not wearing gloves was in Chapter 23 in one of the scenes in Nathan's office. So perhaps she is wearing gloves to prevent herself from inadvertently giving someone the death touch...
But then again... maybe she can turn it on and off... hmm... if she even has this dehydration ability.
I guess I'm going back to being skeptical about Angela's ability now - remember that spoiler that said something like:
"Angela Petrelli? Oh, yes, she has an ability. It's similar to another character's, but let's just say that it takes less effort to get from point A to point B."
That's the only tidbit that's still making me skeptical about her power. I don't see dehydration as being similar to any other ability we've seen thus far...
Hey, here's another wild (or not so much) theory. At the end of season 1, Angela was SO willing to let Peter explode, because she knew he would survive, right?
Well, according to the Comic Con spoiler clip for season 2.
she's yelling at Nathan telling him that if he followed the plan, his brother would still be alive.
But wait... why would she think Peter is dead? She knew he would survive the blast, and she's a very VERY smart woman... shouldn't she know that Peter has to be alive somewhere? So what if SHE IS THE ONE who kidnaps Peter, and she's yelling at Nathan to cover up the fact that Peter is alive and held captive somewhere. I know it sounds crazy for a mother to kidnap her son, but maybe not so much with Angela Petrelli.
It's quite possible, Pops. I mean, a woman who can happily and willingly send her son to the slaughter should have no problem kidnapping him.
The other thing that I thought of that still makes me skeptical that this is Angela is that Linderman went out of his way to set up Nikki and DL so that they would have Micah, so that he could rig the election in Nathan's favor. This is either support for the lady not being Angela, or that Angela is really an empath, and I'll outline why:
1. Unless Linderman has these powers completely figured out, he had to have someone with knowledge of the future who could tell him that Nikki (super strength) and DL (phasing) would have a child who possesses technopathy. Who do we know in his inner circle that has been semi-confirmed (per Ausiello) to have such a power? Angela (precognitive dreaming).
2. In order to rig the election so that Nathan would win and Peter would explode, Linderman also would have had to know that Peter COULD explode. So either Peter had to have already been born, and/or Angela already had to be in cahoots with him. And also, remember that Angela told both Peter and Nathan that she knew of their powers long before even they did. Support once again for some sort of precognition.
3. In order to even set Nikki and DL up, this plan had to have started years in advance, because I believe we were told (I might be mistaken, I totally can't remember where I got this morsel of info) that Niki and DL were high school sweethearts, and they're in their 30s already. Meaning that this plan could have hatched a little after the incidents in this GN. Meaning that Angela, by the early-to-mid 1990s, was already in Linderman's group.
I find it highly unlikely, even though several of you have proposed a set-up of some sort, that Linderman would send operatives to take out one of the most important people in his inner circle. I don't think he'd want to risk his little fountain of info, his sidekick. Unless, of course, it is a setup, and Linderman knows full well that Angela is an empath and has some power that will keep her from harm.
So I guess take that giant rant as evidence for whatever you feel like, because it can really swing either way. Thoughts?
Well OF, double dealings and double crossings have happened before, and on this show too -- the whole Charles Deveaux thing still has to play out.
I believe if this plays out, Angela will be recruiting Claude to her cause or side by the end of the 4th GN. I wonder if the Haitian will make an appearance also....
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when you said that. I totally forgot about that part of the novel. Whether or not she is Angela, I'm all for this mystery woman at least being an empath.
How is this Off topic? It's about Angela's past, right?
