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popkorn615 Moderator ~~Theory Master~~

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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| madstract wrote: |
I still think she has the ability to see things without going there (potentially even in the past and future). |
I've loved that theory for the longest time... and haven't seen any problems with it... until perhaps now...
(spoilers below)
According to the preview, we see Future Peter on the Level 5 floor with Angela. Thus, I'm under the impression that Present Angela is, and has been, working with Future Peter (for a long time)... it would be very clever on her part. But if she had an ability to see the past and the future, I don't think there would be a need at all to work with Future Peter at all... but that's just my take.
On the other hand, I like the first half of the theory a lot and definitely think that could be her ability. In regards to the spoiler last year that said "Angela's power is like another Hero's power, only it's easier to go from A to B," it could be referring to Molly's ability. Molly needs a map to find people - maybe Angela is also a clairvoyant, only she just needs to think of a person to see where they are and doesn't need a map to locate them.
Or considering that the "A to B" spoiler is really old, the writers could have just changed their minds...
But I'm definitely still on board with that theory, Mad! |
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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lets be serious...these theories are ridiculous...
ha! j/k...but seriously, no more miracle blood, perm deaths ftw, future hiro>*, body switchin angela |
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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since they have kept it such a massive secret i hope that its a power thats origional and powerfull
the body switching of others seems to me like its a very pointless thing the have imo.....i mean sure it could be important but it doesnt really help he much does it? if they have kept it a secret for this long i hope tht its a strong power not switching people from one body to another
sum1 mentioned AGES ago that she can see into past and future without going there.
but what if she can move herself and others physically into the future and past not just of this timeline but of other timelines like 5 years gone so that she knows the outsome of what will happen and try to make it actually happen?
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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i kind of hate it...alot, sorry
bodyswitching/powers switching is kinda lame on paper...but the writers can make it awesome, anything hiro-related isnt cool...aka i dont like teleporters or time travelers. (which is weird because in the GN that one guy could teleport...my theory? his powers just hadnt gotten advanced enough yet to were he could bend TIME as well) |
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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lol no worries nobody like every theory
yeah i agree the writers could make it cool, but its also a power that could totally dictate a season
i really like the teleport/bend time and space thing, if it wasnt for hiro time traveling season one nor season two would have been as good.........one simple action from hiro essentially unfolded the whole season one as did peter doing it in season 2 |
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| well, i mean i like HIS ability, i just dont want others with it is what i mean |
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ohh......i can understand that but it was pretty inevitable that peter got the powers |
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: |
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ok stop being like that..what i meant is
hiro, future hiro, peter, future peter, sylar, future sylar can have the ability...jeez |
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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I tend to go along with her seeing the past/future myself. Stronger and more controlled version of Isaac. Regarding your spoiler above PK, the need on her part would be because she can see but not interact. At least to my thinking.
Here's another thought that just popped in my head that may get shot down. But was there a confirmation that Peter's 'dream state' was really Charles' power? I know the dialogue Charles used seemed to indicate as much. But maybe it was really Angela's? Charles would have been well informed of this ability whether it was his own or not being one of the original twelve so perhaps we just made a natural assumption there. I need to go back and watch that scene with Charles and Peter again... |
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Others have disagreed, but I've always thought that the Charles-Peter scene was a combination of powers (Charles, Angela, and Peter) with Charles, of course, knowing Peter would have these powers...
This is another reason why I think Angela has what she has because it is something that could combine with Peter then and Charles to produce what we saw. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: I agree with "Point A to B" |
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There is something going on between Charles Deveaux, Angela Petrelli and Peter in that scene from Season 1. Charles had the ability to perceive Peter's presence while Angela Petrelli did not know Peter was there.
Angela Petrelli can move from Point A to Point B by thinking about it and "mentally" going there, but not physically. This explains why Peter Petrelli went to the future and "experienced it as if he was physically there. (Peter can physically go there as well as travel astrally/mentally.) We know he had only gone there mentally or 'astrally' since Adam Monroe responded to his concern over having travelled to the future the second time without Caitlin: "Peter, what are you talking about? You've been in front of me the whole time." -DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THIS?
I'm more curious about Deveaux's clairvoyance and to what extent Angela Petrelli's powers have actually developed. She probably has some form of mind control via her 'mental projectionism' which would further explain her ability to perhaps influence individuals in certain ways. |
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| I tend to go along with her seeing the past/future myself. Stronger and more controlled version of Isaac. Regarding your spoiler above PK, the need on her part would be because she can see but not interact. At least to my thinking. |
Great point, JJ. Or, perhaps it's not that she can't interact (she obviously can, to an extent), but maybe it's that she doesn't know HOW to interact. F. Peter/F. Hiro have the ability to journey through timelines and points in time to see different moments that may have caused "X" event to happen, or "Y" event to occur. In a way, her power makes her sort of helpless, which I like. Finally, we might get to see a weak side to Angela.
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Here's another thought that just popped in my head that may get shot down. But was there a confirmation that Peter's 'dream state' was really Charles' power? I know the dialogue Charles used seemed to indicate as much. But maybe it was really Angela's? |
You took the words right out of my mouth - I was just thinking about that today. It could definitely be Angela's power, but since it's back in Season 1, I doubt they'll readdress the issue - maybe they will though, who knows.
Personally, because of the fact that Charles was interacting with Peter, I thought that Peter had literally time travelled inadvertently when overloading - after all, overloading = cannot control powers. They held a conversation together, and Charles knew that Peter possessed invisbility, which to me implied that Peter was standing invisible on the roof.
If they will ever tell us what Charles' power is, I hope it's something that makes sense - like the ability to sense someone's power (like Callisto in X-Men). This would be the only explanation, IMO, about how Charles knew Peter had invisibility. It would also be a great idea because we could then go back and think to ourselves, "So, Charles knew Peter was a mimic all along - which explains his confidence and belief in the kid to make a change in the world." I think that the story line would get somewhat better if the writers thought backwards like this and somehow connected aspects of Season 1 into upcoming seasons. We all know that that's not what they were thinking at the time Season 1 was written, but at least it would provide for some coherence between the seasons.
| Jock wrote: |
| Angela Petrelli can move from Point A to Point B by thinking about it and "mentally" going there, but not physically. This explains why Peter Petrelli went to the future and "experienced it as if he was physically there. (Peter can physically go there as well as travel astrally/mentally.) We know he had only gone there mentally or 'astrally' since Adam Monroe responded to his concern over having travelled to the future the second time without Caitlin: "Peter, what are you talking about? You've been in front of me the whole time." -DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THIS? |
I don't remember Adam saying that, Jock, but I will definitely go back as soon as I can and check it out.
The spoiler back in the day said that Angela's power is like another power "easier for Angela to go from point A to point B." However, having to fall asleep and dream about the future isn't really easier than Isaac's ability. It would actually be much easier for Isaac to paint. So maybe Angela's power is that she just has to close her eyes to see the future.
Or maybe there are a bunch of gray spots within Angela's ability itself. Meaning this: if Angela can see the future, then can she see the past and present also? (After all, it would explain Peter dreaming about Nathan getting into the car accident in "Six Months Ago", because that dream occurs simultaneously). So, if Angela can see the present as well, that would be sort of like clairvoyance, which is Molly's power. And if Angela affects dreams, that would sort of be like dream manipulation, which is Sanjog's ability.... and so on and so forth, get my drift? I guess what I'm getting at now is that although we've been told what Angela's ability is through spoilers, we can't bank on it because the writers are probably going to manipulate her ability in a few different ways.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: I'M WITH YA MOSTLY POPCORNY |
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I'm trying to remember which episode exactly is when Adam Monroe makes a VERY BRIEF comment on Peter "not having traveled anywhere" while he thought he had "physically" gone there. This was right after Peter had spoken to his mother "in the future", then returned to the present day where he encountered Adam Monroe for the first time. Afterwards, he traveled "back to the future" but in an astral state of mind and not physically. He was searching for Caitlin or a clue, yet if you recall, nobody even noticed he was there! ! ! Instead, he returned to the conversation he was having with Adam Monroe and said he "had been to the future": At which point Adam replied, "What are you talking about? You've been here the whole time."
As far as Angela Petrelli goes: I do believe she has some form of mental projection ability that affects the minds of others, similar to the Parkmans but on a different level and in a different capacity. This is evident based on the fact that she was able to sense on some "mental" level the ability of Matt when he was probing her mind or trying to coerce her into revealing knowledge.
As for Charles Deveaux: He definitely had some dream like ability in terms of clairvoyance. Dream/Clairvoyance in varying capacities most likely explains how he perceived "Peter's presence when talking to Angela Petrelli, while also understanding that Peter "had his ability PLUS Mama Petrelli's." Remember when his daughter Simone, told Peter that her father told her the strangest dream: "That Peter took him flying through the city just before the night he passed away?" ---- LOTS OF CLUES OUT THERE....... |
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