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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Why Peter HAS to Cut Heads Open Reply with quote

So, I'm noticing that many fans don't like the fact that Peter gaining Intuitive Aptitude involves him slicing heads. Well, for those that don't like this whole Peter absorbing IA, I offer you a theory:

Some are saying that Peter has to cut heads open for power - to gain an ability - like Sylar did. Firstly, this makes no sense because Peter already has flight. If this is why you dislike Peter cutting heads open, then I argue that there's no reason to dislike this storyline at all, because gaining power is NOT why Peter is slicing heads. In episode 4, "I Am Become Death" Sylar told Peter that the "hunger" is a hunger for KNOWLEDGE. This is confirmed in the back room of the Bennet home between P. Peter and F. Gabriel. Here is the quote:

"My ability is not not just to understand how things work. There's a hunger, to KNOW more, to have more."

Gabriel says that the hunger is one to know more, not to necessarily gain abilities or have more power... just knowledge. If this is the reason Peter has to cut heads open, to examine brains for knowledge, rather than power, then I love this storyline. Sylar's power is to UNDERSTAND how things work, and the hunger that comes with it is to (understandably) know everything, no matter what it is, and knowledge is found in the brain.

When Peter is cutting Nathan's head open, he says:
"I need to... I need to... I need to UNDERSTAND... your intentions..."

Peter says nothing about power.

I, too, would hate it if Peter was hungering for power, but I don't think that's where the writers are going to take this ability... I think Peter is hungering for knowledge. A knowledge to know everything.

If his is the case, and this PK theory turns out to be true, would you like the storyline better?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Peter HAS to Cut Heads Open Reply with quote

popkorn615 wrote:
So, I'm noticing that there are a lot of complaints that Peter had to slice Nathan's head open in episode 4. Well, for those that don't like this whole Peter absorbing Intuitive Aptitude, I offer you a theory:

Some are saying that Peter has to cut heads open for power - to gain an ability - like Sylar did. Firstly, this makes no sense because Peter already has flight. I argue that you're incorrect. In episode 4, "I Am Become Death" Sylar told Peter that the "hunger" is a hunger for KNOWLEDGE. This is confirmed in the back room of the Bennet home between P. Peter and F. Gabriel. Here is the quote:

"My ability is not not just to understand how things work. There's a hunger, to KNOW more, to have more."

Gabriel says that the hunger is one to know more, not to necessarily gain abilities or have more power... just knowledge. If this is the reason Peter has to cut heads open, to examine brains for knowledge, rather than power, then I like this storyline.

When Peter is cutting Nathan's head open, he says:
"I need to... I need to... I need to understand... your intentions..."

Peter says nothing about power.

I, too, would hate it if Peter was hungering for power, but I don't think that's where the writers are going to take this ability... I think Peter is hungering for knowledge. A knowledge to know everything.

If his is the case, and this PK theories turns out to be true, would you like the storyline better?


I whole-heartedly agree with this theory. As Sylar said, there's a hunger that comes with his ability. If he's to understand anything about people, including intentions, Sylar's ability would kick in and basically say "Well, we have to actually see it."

I've got a little theory of my own regarding Sylar's ability. It's actually an advanced version of Peter's in a way. Taking into account Sylar's actions to Claire where he talked about her not knowing her own ability, Peter couldn't understand Claire's ability fully either, but Sylar's IA can. I think Sylar's ability not only allows him to find their ability, but to actually uncover it's true potential.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PK I love it...and I think you hit the nail on the head. Though the writer's do have a propensity to forget their own mistakes, etc.... I don't think they would be dumb enough to just feed us a Peter that is hungry for power, to kill, etc...... but the hunger for knowledge is interesting.
Here's my only hole in that theory that I can poke....if Peter can read minds and get inside people's heads, how would he not be able to read his brother's mind, and use Gabriel's ability to understand his intentions through those thoughts (much like Gabrial understood the power of the dude that fed off of fear and was able to then use that ability.......which I haven't seen a posting or topic covering it so I apologize if it's already been covered, but F. Gabriel can't have Peter's power to absorb abilities (mimic, empathy, whatever you want to call it).....so he must have just progressed his ability in the future to the point where all he has to do is understand the other individuals ability in order to harness it, rather than having to examine their brain.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree too. sylar used that need of knowledge to gain powers very distinct way. if you notice peter coudlnt read nathan. that seemed to be what set him off. he couldnt understand or r ead what he wanted to read and then HAD to read it. it didnt strike me at all that it was a need to gain his power.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superboot wrote:
Here's my only hole in that theory that I can poke....if Peter can read minds and get inside people's heads, how would he not be able to read his brother's mind, and use Gabriel's ability to understand his intentions through those thoughts


Thanks for the support, Al!

That's an excellent counter argument, Super. My only explanation is that telepathy is a momentary thing, and I see Intuitive Aptitude as a universal absorption of all knowledge that a person possesses... everything from memories, to past decisions, to future decisions, to how to fly a plane, to how to ride a bike, to how to tie your shoe, to how to be president, to... you get the drift. By opening Nathan's brain and examining it, Peter sees anything and everything that has ever happened in Nathan's life, and how to do the things Nathan can do (not just ability-wise). Telepathy is momentary.

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said in my theory, Sylar's ability is more advanced then Peter's in the way that he can actually see everything about the brain and how it works, even the later possibilities of the ability as he informed Claire.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SUPERBOOT96 wrote:
F. Gabriel can't have Peter's power to absorb abilities (mimic, empathy, whatever you want to call it).


Why is this an impossibility? Since it seems they are at least friends in the future, could Future Gabriel not have cut open Future Peter's head and gained the mimic ability as a way to help him fight his hunger? I think Peter would have been able to use Claire's ability to survive such an event - and it just might have been a selfless act on his part to help Sylar restore his humanity and become the "Betty Crocker" we say in the future.


(On a side note - does nobody have anything to add to my thread on the whole "Betty Crocker" side of Sylar/Gabriel? Was I too thorough, or my ideas too "out there"? I'd love to hear what you all think about my theories.)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I support the whole idea that Peter is 'knowledge' hungry. I do believe Sylar is both Power Hungry & Knowledge Hungry, but this is the fundamental difference with Peter. Peter thirsts for knowledge so that he may 'change the past', which is his most basic motivation, and so this manifests more powerfully as his Hunger.

I doubt this happens, but - What if Present Peter travels back in time and is actually the one to kill Charlie so he can take her ability? (I doubt it, but the craving knowledge made me think about it.)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jocko7 wrote:
I support the whole idea that Peter is 'knowledge' hungry. I do believe Sylar is both Power Hungry & Knowledge Hungry, but this is the fundamental difference with Peter. Peter thirsts for knowledge so that he may 'change the past', which is his most basic motivation, and so this manifests more powerfully as his Hunger.

I doubt this happens, but - What if Present Peter travels back in time and is actually the one to kill Charlie so he can take her ability? (I doubt it, but the craving knowledge made me think about it.)


Now we basically have a time travelling Sylar! ! !
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jocko7 wrote:
I support the whole idea that Peter is 'knowledge' hungry. I do believe Sylar is both Power Hungry & Knowledge Hungry, but this is the fundamental difference with Peter. Peter thirsts for knowledge so that he may 'change the past', which is his most basic motivation, and so this manifests more powerfully as his Hunger.

I doubt this happens, but - What if Present Peter travels back in time and is actually the one to kill Charlie so he can take her ability? (I doubt it, but the craving knowledge made me think about it.)


Sorry, but there's something you completely forgot. In the GN Road Kill, Sylar read an entire manual on driving a truck, and then started driving it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SUPERBOOT96 wrote:
F. Gabriel can't have Peter's power to absorb abilities (mimic, empathy, whatever you want to call it).


Why is this an impossibility? Since it seems they are at least friends in the future, could Future Gabriel not have cut open Future Peter's head and gained the mimic ability as a way to help him fight his hunger? I think Peter would have been able to use Claire's ability to survive such an event - and it just might have been a selfless act on his part to help Sylar restore his humanity and become the "Betty Crocker" we say in the future.


Alternatively, as a result of becoming fixed, as I've been mentioning, he could have developed his ability into what he was supposed to be... a mimic.

idea Here's a theory! (regarding how to 'fix' Sylar)

Darcy wrote:
Sorry, but there's something you completely forgot. In the GN Road Kill, Sylar read an entire manual on driving a truck, and then started driving it.


Darcy's correct... in this timeline, and every timeline, Charlie dies at the hands of Sylar.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

popkorn615 wrote:

Alternatively, as a result of becoming fixed, as I've been mentioning, he could have developed his ability into what he was supposed to be... a mimic.

idea Here's a theory! (regarding how to 'fix' Sylar)

Darcy wrote:
Sorry, but there's something you completely forgot. In the GN Road Kill, Sylar read an entire manual on driving a truck, and then started driving it.


Darcy's correct... in this timeline, and every timeline, Charlie dies at the hands of Sylar.


Well, wasn't it said early on that Noah Jr. was supposed to have an ability as well? That'd definitely give reason enough for Gabriel to try and suppress his hunger so that he doesn't feel the need to feed on his son.

Also, in regards to Jock's aforementioned theory that just doesn't stick is that if there wasn't that problem, I would have liked it.
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Well, wasn't it said early on that Noah Jr. was supposed to have an ability as well? That'd definitely give reason enough for Gabriel to try and suppress his hunger so that he doesn't feel the need to feed on his son.


...when? I thought that was just a theory?...
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