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stonegroove007 Benefactor Smells the Dark Side of the Force

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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Regarding Sylar's ability: in his fight against Fear-man, i sort of got the impression that he got his power then and there, without the head-cutting, etc. He says something like "I understand how your power works; I'm not afraid of you". And then he like BLASTS the guy.... was he using fear-man's own fear against him? Does he even have to cut heads to get the power? As for this tying into Peter, I have no clue.... but it was an interesting thought nonetheless. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think that the writers were trying to explain Sylar's ability without a drawn out speech. Here is what I gather: Sylar told Knox that he understood how his ability worked. He got his power from the fear of others, which is why Syalr said that he wasnt scared of him (but the boy was). Knox seemed to "suck" up teh fear and turn it into power. Sylar had talked about understanding and having a hunger for understanding. Peter with Nathan also spoke about understanding Nathan's intentions and emotions and said that Nathan believed what he was doing was right but was actually wrong. So I think that Sylar (& now Peter) has a way of seeing how things/people work. How their emotions play into their abilities and rationale and may even see them as broken... like Peter seemed to do with Nathan.
But why do you need to take the heads off? (Peter cut right to left which was backwards from Sylar) Did it not seem that Peter fixed the watch by looking through the face? Or did he use TK to take the face off and fixed it with TK? If he can somehow see into objects then why not be able to see into heads without removin the top? This also doesnt fully explain Sylar either! So he can see how things work, how is he able to take abilities? Does he see how brains work and then fix his own brain? Wouldnt that imply something beyond just a simple "formula" to acquiring abilities? |
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| SuperBoot96 wrote: |
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| Here's my only hole in that theory that I can poke....if Peter can read minds and get inside people's heads, how would he not be able to read his brother's mind, and use Gabriel's ability to understand his intentions through those thoughts |
Thanks for the support, Al!
That's an excellent counter argument, Super. My only explanation is that telepathy is a momentary thing, and I see Intuitive Aptitude as a universal absorption of all knowledge that a person possesses... everything from memories, to past decisions, to future decisions, to how to fly a plane, to how to ride a bike, to how to tie your shoe, to how to be president, to... you get the drift. By opening Nathan's brain and examining it, Peter sees anything and everything that has ever happened in Nathan's life, and how to do the things Nathan can do (not just ability-wise). Telepathy is momentary.
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Hmmm...I don't know if I can agree with you on the IA being able to see everything has that been done by the keeper of the brain being examined. If that was the case, why was Angela trying to feed Sylar/Gabriel the girl with the ability to remember anybody or whatever it was. I may be off on this one, but bear with me.....Why would he need that if he could get that from what he does with people anyway (and I still think the future version of Gabriel got to the point with his ability that he didn't even need to examine someone's brain to understand their powers, etc.... because he had mastered it so much) |
Gabriel confirms to Peter that IA can be used to see all variables and change the future, or make the right choices so that he knows what the future will bring.
We haven't seen Present Gabriel do that at all. The only thing he's been concerned with when opening up heads is their ability - he only hungers for power. Future Gabriel, on the other hand, confirms that the hunger is one for knowledge as well.
Angela gave Bridget to Gabriel for two reasons, IMO:
(1) If IA can be used to see the history of somebody, then now Gabriel can do that same exact thing without cutting open a person's head. He can see their history without killing them
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(2) Most importantly, it gives the writers another method of showing us flashbacks. My theory is that for any flashbacks we see this season, they will be a result of Gabriel touching somebody.
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| Regarding Sylar's ability: in his fight against Fear-man, i sort of got the impression that he got his power then and there, without the head-cutting, etc. He says something like "I understand how your power works; I'm not afraid of you". And then he like BLASTS the guy.... was he using fear-man's own fear against him? |
That's a great question, and IMO one of the most debatable things to discuss in regards to episode 4. Personally, I don't think Gabriel absorbed Knox's ability - I just think that Gabriel understood how it worked, and what he needed to do to effectively render Knox's ability useless. He knew he had to stand up to Knox and get rid of his own fear in order for Knox to not hurt him.
I don't think Gabriel was using Knox's power against him - I just think that with every punch that Gabriel dealt, his fist was getting hotter and hotter, as is seen by his body gradually glowing red. No matter how super-strong you are, if you're it in the face by a fist as hot as an iron, you're going down IMO, lol...
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| I think that the writers were trying to explain Sylar's ability without a drawn out speech. Here is what I gather: Sylar told Knox that he understood how his ability worked. He got his power from the fear of others, which is why Syalr said that he wasnt scared of him (but the boy was). Knox seemed to "suck" up teh fear and turn it into power. Sylar had talked about understanding and having a hunger for understanding. Peter with Nathan also spoke about understanding Nathan's intentions and emotions and said that Nathan believed what he was doing was right but was actually wrong. So I think that Sylar (& now Peter) has a way of seeing how things/people work. |
I agree - nicely said.
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| Peter cut right to left which was backwards from Sylar |
SICK catch! I didn't even realize! This just strengthens my thought that Peter and Sylar are twins  |
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Gabriel was using Knox's power against him - I just think that with every punch that Gabriel dealt, his fist was getting hotter and hotter, as is seen by his body gradually glowing red. No matter how super-strong you are, if you're it in the face by a fist as hot as an iron, you're going down IMO, lol...
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I obviously can't confirm this, but the way that Sylar said "I understand how your ability works", and the way he then powered up and went off on Knox, I STRONGLY believe that he was using Knox's power....that's where it comes into play where I was talking about my thoughts on F. Gabriel having mastered his ability to the point to where he only has to understand the ability and how it works, to be able to "fuse" it with his own DNA and utilize that ability. If he wasn't using Knox's ability on Knox, then I feel the writers did a bad job with that scene.
I say that because Gabriel had already told him he wasn't afraid of him, basically confirming that he already knew that Knox's ability fed off of fear, and it was only after Knox attacked him that he then said "I understand how your ability works"....kind of confirming to Knox "you're done buddy, I just figured out your ability and I'm going to knock you into tomorrow with it"
thoughts on that PK?? |
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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dang it...I missed a quotation mark
I had that I can't edit my own posts  |
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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I obviously can't confirm this, but the way that Sylar said "I understand how your ability works", and the way he then powered up and went off on Knox, I STRONGLY believe that he was using Knox's power.... |
I see where you're coming from, Super, but on the contrary, Gabriel actually didn't power up after he told Knox that he knew how his ability worked. Gabriel said this to Knox, and ironically, Knox then went off on Gabriel and kicked the poop out of him. It wasn't until Noah was already dead that Gabriel started attacking Knox.
Furthermore, in order for Gabriel to have been using Knox's power, there would have had to have been fear present, and the only fear present at the time was little Noah's, as Knox confirmed for us (Gabriel says, "I'm not afraid of you," and Knox says, "But HE is" pointing at little Noah). By the time Gabriel was punching back at Knox, Noah was already dead, so there was no fear present - so how could Gabriel have been using a power that gets its strength from fear if there's no fear in the air? When Gabriel looks over at Knox before beating him up, Knox's face is still angry and fearless, so I doubt Knox himself was feeling any fear, so there would have been no sources for Gabriel to absorb fear from in order to use Knox's ability. But my main issue is that Noah, the only person showing fear in that situation, was already dead by the time Gabriel started beating up Knox, so IMO, it couldn't have been Knox's ability.
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| that's where it comes into play where I was talking about my thoughts on F. Gabriel having mastered his ability to the point to where he only has to understand the ability and how it works, to be able to "fuse" it with his own DNA and utilize that ability. |
I agree with you there.
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| If he wasn't using Knox's ability on Knox, then I feel the writers did a bad job with that scene. |
I don't think it was poorly written, I just think that Gabriel was trying to intimidate Knox hoping that he would let down his guard because he knew how Knox's ability worked. What Gabriel forgot about, or didn't realize, was that Knox absorbs fear from everybody, not just the person he's attacking, which is why Gabriel was surprised when he forgot that Noah was crunched behind him giving off his fear pheromones for Knox to absorb. I think Gabriel underestimated the situation and was trying to be the cocky person we saw in Season 1.
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I say that because Gabriel had already told him he wasn't afraid of him, basically confirming that he already knew that Knox's ability fed off of fear, and it was only after Knox attacked him that he then said "I understand how your ability works"....kind of confirming to Knox "you're done buddy, I just figured out your ability and I'm going to knock you into tomorrow with it"
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But you're forgetting that Gabriel got attacked twice - the first time he was punched in the gut a couple of times, and then he told Knox that he knew his ability, as if to say, "Knox, you're done buddy." However, Knox reassured Gabriel that he was the one that was in for the beat down. If Gabriel was using Knox's ability against him, then Gabriel would have absorbed Noah's fear at that moment. Instead, Gabriel got beaten up.
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dang it...I missed a quotation mark
I had that I can't edit my own posts |
All fixed!  |
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, I watched it again, you're right.....he wasn't using Knox's power...but I like my misconception better than what actually happened
I still want to think that Gabriel progressed his ability to be able to fuse another power without having to open the head and examine the brain......I hope the writer's think so as well |
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, I watched it again, you're right.....he wasn't using Knox's power...but I like my misconception better than what actually happened |
Oh, I definitely like yours better than what actually happened as well, Super. It 's much more exciting, and the millions of Heroes fans who don't analyze every little moment like we do probably think that Gabriel used Knox's ability. At least they're happy with the situation, lol.
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| I still want to think that Gabriel progressed his ability to be able to fuse another power without having to open the head and examine the brain......I hope the writer's think so as well |
And I like that thought as well, Super... which would mean that Gabriel would become a different type of mimic... but seeing that there's probably only room for one mimic on the show, either Peter or Gabriel would probably be killed off... |
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stonegroove007 Benefactor Smells the Dark Side of the Force

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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok you're not thinking of the fact that Knox could've been afraid of Gabriel in that confrontation.... I mean no matter what he'd become in the future, he did have a "killer" reputation. Knox was facing someone with who knows how many powers.... Who's to say he wasn't afraid, and that Gabriel didn't feed from that fear? |
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think so. I understand what you're saying Stonegroove, but I agree with PK on this one. Sylar in the future is much keener and in tune with his Intuitive Aptitude and who knows what other powers. This was simply him wanting to protect his son WITHOUT resorting to outward physical use of powers.
I think that is the MORE IMPORTANT question. Several things I find fascinating about that scene are as follows:
1. Sylar refuses to use powers in front of "Noah". (only after Noah is killed does he.)
2. Sylar tells Peter to simply, "teleport out now!" (knowing had he done this, confrontation would have been avoided - via Intutive Aptitude.)
3. Only because Peter chooses to stay and "help", does he actually create more problems. (Butterfly Effect!)
4. Sylar is obviously capable of self sacrifice and unconditional love, as demonstrated via Noah. (On the other hand, we see in the past, Peter being the empathetic love everyone person while Sylar is the opposite. They are now meeting each other in the middle - in my opinion.) |
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Ok you're not thinking of the fact that Knox could've been afraid of Gabriel in that confrontation.... I mean no matter what he'd become in the future, he did have a "killer" reputation. Knox was facing someone with who knows how many powers.... Who's to say he wasn't afraid, and that Gabriel didn't feed from that fear? |
I believe he was afraid, but watch the scene again...it's not that power that Gabriel uses....knox puffs his chest up before going off on someone, Gabriel didn't do that |
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