I know it's causing a rift, but would that actually be possible?
With today's technology? No.
In TV land with TV land physics? Yes.
Within the parameters of possibilities as described by the show? Probably not.
Hiro so far doesn't seem to be able to take anyone else with him, but then again, he hasn't tried. He also hasn't been able to have such major effects on reality.
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Just before meeting present-day Hiro, future Hiro went back in time to tell Peter to save claire because in his time, claire was murdered by sylar. When SYLAR was about to explode and cause the nuclear explosion in NYC, Hiro stabbed him with his sword, but Sylar healed and the explosion happened. Although Peter saved Claire, the explosion still occurs (according to future Hiro).
this could mean that the writers have gone for the "Bigger Plan" timeline theory:
the theory that there is a bigger plan that is going to unfold, and the details of it don't matter.
eg. charlie had to die. How she died does not matter, so long as it happens. therefore, no matter what Hiro does, there is no way that he could allow charlie to live.
the same idea goes with the explosion. Hiro goes back in time and stops Sylar from exploding, but the explosion had to happen, therefore Peter is now the explosion.
Quite a nice, cold shower you've just given us all Slippy. Thanks for that cold, calculating explanation of why we're not going to figure out what's going to be going on with time travel in our favorite show..
I acn't wait to see your next entry for your blogging novel, Mainly because I want to complain about you not being able to write it because it's not in our timeline, thus there's no reason to read it, we're here, and he's there,..
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Two Timelines/Two Sylars theory
MTF, if you're still out there, props to you. As far as I know, you were the first to posit dual Sylars. In early December, on page 3 of this thread. I hid most of the quote because it is long.
MTF wrote:
This theory has probably already been proposed here, but I couldn't find a thread on it either on search or looking through the list, so ignore this if this is not new.
My theory on the show is that there are two timelines, much like in the original Terminator: An original timeline, and an altered, second timeline. The latter is what we are watching now on the show, and it has been altered by future Hiro and future Sylar, both of whom traveled back in time and are in the present world with their present counterparts.
Obviously we all know that the present is being altered by Hiro, both when he went back and changed Charlie's story and by changing Peter's path. But I think there is a broader relationship with the story as a whole.
Here's the story: A young Sylar has one power, and was the first to figure it out because he was found by Chandra, who was the first to realize the possibility. Because of Chandra, Sylar knew there were other heroes out there, and Sylar somehow figured out a way to take their powers by doing something to their brains. So in 2006, young evil Sylar begins increasing his powers by tracking the heroes (before the heroes even fully know about their powers) and taking their brains. Thus, the telekinesis guy, the parents of the girl, and Charlie were killed, already giving Sylar telekinetic power, iceman powers, memory powers, and (it appears) super speed. At this point in 2006, the only ones who really know something about the importance of their powers are Hiro and Isaac, because their powers let them see the future. Because of this, they have a better ability to avoid Sylar, and Isaac and Hiro are the last ones to die (Isaac clearly dies just before the explosion, as shown in Hiro's future travel).
On the original timeline, Sylar kills Claire, Nathan, and just about everyone else, because they simply were not prepared for an evil person with powers who was tracking them down. They were only just learning about their powers themselves.
Hiro is most on top of things (from the start, he knew of the importance of his powers and that he needed to stop the future vision he saw), and figures out what Sylar is doing, but it is too late - Sylar is too powerful in the future. So as a last-ditch effort before Sylar kills him, "future Hiro" travels back in time to get a message to Peter-- to connect with Isaac and "present Hiro" and to save the cheerleader, which is obviously one of the most important powers that Sylar originally took, as it makes it very hard to kill him.
However, "future Sylar" had just killed Peter and taken his power before Hiro went back in time. Because of this, when future Hiro escapes future Sylar during their future battle by traveling back in time to change the past (and future), Sylar uses his Peter power to absorb Hiro's time travel powers to go back and prevent history from changing.
Thus, the current timeline we are watching is being altered as we speak. Future Hiro gave Peter information that enabled him to connect with Isaac (which he otherwise wouldn't have done that early on, shown by him leaving Isaac's house on the subway in the first place), and this has set off a chain reaction. Peter has now changed the future by saving the cheerleader, and Peter--now in full awareness of the importance of his role--is connecting with present day heroes to ultimate save the world.
Meanwhile, future Sylar has traveled back in time as well. He doesn't know where Hiro is, but obviously is trying to stop him. Thus, in the present show, there are two Sylars - present Sylar, who is still gaining powers, and future Sylar, who is almost all-powerful.
The Sylar we saw at the police station is future Sylar. For some reason we don't know yet, the little girl is important. Here parents were killed by present Sylar, but he didn't know that a girl survived. Sylar ultimately found out, so one of the first things he did when he traveled back was go to get her power as well. Thus, the Sylar at the police station is future Sylar. We know this because he appeared much more powerful than the present day Sylar we have seen. The Sylar at the police station seemed impervious to bullets (either had DL's power or Claire's power or both's), seemed like he could fly (nathan's power), and I think did other things that were more advanced-seeming than the present Sylar.
In many ways, this is similar to the Terminator story - man travels back in time to save the world from future events, and the enemy follows him back to stop him.
Anyway, just a theory, and I'm sure there are plenty of holes, and perhaps this is all obvious to everyone anyway and has been thoroughly discussed. But I thought it was worth posting in case nobody had thought of it yet.
Actually, there's hundreds. Everyone has their own.
For simplicity's sake, there's three that matter.
The third one started the instant P.Hiro got back from the future.
jormengrund wrote:
I acn't wait to see your next entry for your blogging novel, Mainly because I want to complain about you not being able to write it because it's not in our timeline, thus there's no reason to read it, we're here, and he's there,..
lol, it IS in our timeline. Don't forget, hiro can time travel. At some point, he will be able to step outside of time, collect his team from whichever points in their lives are most suitable and step 500 years into the future to contact Lucien. He then strolls around the timeline, putting his team back in their proper place and time.
Time travel....the ultimate "get-out" clause.
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Wouldn't the third one have been after Future Hiro meets Peter on the subway? After all, if Hiro never teleported to New York, he'd never find out about the bomb in the first place, and wouldn't get the comic book.
Nah, that's the second one. Have you read none of the time travel theories? lol
You're supposing that Hiro's first leap to the future triggered a timeline split. I'm suggesting that, as nothing important happened before that, that we still call it the same timeline.
Otherwise, you'd have to split it every time someone gets info from the future by travelling or by precog...and we be back up to hundreds of timelines before you know it.
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