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Leader_Of_The_Free_World · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: Time stop or Time Slowed

Okay this has been a 3 page topic discussion in General Season 3 Spoilers
for a while.... It's worthy of it's own topic right? Razz

Does Hiro completely stop time? Or does he just slows its marginally down.

Action Figure · Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:35 am Post subject:

i believe this goes in theories...

but since I kinda started the argument... I say slows it.

A dimension can't "stop". It can't be set to "zero".

Ambience 327 · Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject:

Allow me to make this rebuttal:

A TV show doesn't have to obey physics, or even logic. Very Happy

Jormengrund · Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:

Realistically, time cannot "stop". It, by definition, has to keep moving.. After all, if time truly stopped, then even the person stopping time would be frozen!

Thus, time itself doesn't stop, per se, but specific events can be slowed or changed in order to alter events....

Now, time can be moved forwards and backwards! This is shown by Hiro playing with the clock on his desk, or even the event of Hope shooting at him, and the bullet moving forward, and then being reversed and sent back along it's original path..

I tend to think of time as the "ultimate energy", and energy as such cannot be stopped, but only redirected.

Now in a non-physical reality, time can have many MANY definitions. So as far as the show goes, yes, I think they believe that time can be stopped. However, for all practical intents and purposes, I'd say that this argument is best left up to the discretion of the writers and directors of the series, and we should try to leave science and logic out of this argument..

I've said my peace. Let's get back to the main discussion again! Wink

wolves_arsenal · Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject:

if we are gonna go into detail about this then everything is built of atoms not time is a man made concept.........time might not be real.........time tralev/slowing down and also folding time to travel through it is based on the idea that there is an actual time partical and seeing as they use time travel in the heroes universe there must be a time partical that can be manipulated therefore it is possible to stop time

ledlevee · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject:

I don't think time is a particle. I think it's the context within which our perceptions are able to operate. So it isn't really time that is changing, but the speed at which things are being perceived by a stated individual and/or individuals. Hiro is somehow able to alter these perceptions and travel back forth between them.

popkorn615 · Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:34 am Post subject:

IMO, I still think time is stopped, solely because the writers have made a point to state it in the script many, many times. As Ambience mentioned, TV shows don't have to obey the laws of physics. Many, many inexplicable things have occurred in the series, events that deserve questioning:

1) How can Peter see Claude, and Claude see Peter, when they are BOTH invisible?

2) How did DL phase into Niki's chest and take her breath away without withdrawing a drop of blood on his hand?

3) How did Nathan fly faster than the speed of sound and yet was not affected by the temperature, altitude, and speed at which he was flying?

4) How can an immortal person, who can heal him/herself, be shot dead with a bullet through the head?

5) Why couldn't The Haitian stop Ted from exploding in "Company Man"?

My answer for all of these questions is the same as my answer for the Hiro question. These things happen because the writers decide that they can happen - there is no logical answer sometimes... sometimes the only "logical" answer is "because that's the way it is," as according to the writers.

Stopping time may not be possible in real life, but if the writers say it happens, then it happens.

And if a super-speeder is able to move while time is "stopped" (which I'm not totally convinced of yet, not according to the previews at least), then I must suck it up and accept it. Lol.

Just my 2 cents Cool

deftonesdea · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject:

the one about ted i've solved, and its AWESOME

angela wanted to get claire to france or away from impending doom, because of sylar being free/the explosion/anything really

angela couldnt get claire away from HRG by force (him being so craft and smart, he'd fight back/find her) instead, she creates a way to make HRG give her up to the haitian (who works for her)

its pretty easy, the haitian shows up , ted is going nuke, angela doesnt want the haitian to stop him...why? so that CLAIRE can go in, stop him, come out and heal, THOMPSON SEES THIS AND ASKS FOR CLAIRE

the rest is history, hrg 'makes a plan' to hide claire (in reality it was angela's plan, but he didnt know that)

haitian stop ted, claire never manifests in front of thompson, hrg never wants to give her up.

ledlevee · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject:

I think thats an awesome explaination! lol Trouble is I'm not sure I have enough faith in the writers to think that's what they intended, but maybe I should give them the benefit of the doubt lol.

jocko7

In one of the Graphic Novels I was reading, "Walls", where Peter and Hiro are breaking Nicki out of prison, they are attacked by someone with "Super Speed". In that Graphic Novel, they make an attempt to stop time and are "somehow prevented from doing so." This means there is a character out there who can also manipulate time in an alternative sort of way which can counter Hiro/Peters ability to do so.

I think we'll see a character this season (or at least hear of one) who has an ability similar to Daphnes but more like "Hiros" stop time ability. Anyway, the heroes website has eluded to "character" development of a girl who can alter other people's speed of motion within her vicinity, so It could be a possibility.

popkorn615

jocko7 · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject:

PK - Go back and check out the Graphic Novel "Walls". They were able to use their other powers but were unable to "Stop Time".

Let me know what you think

jocko7 · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: PK - I Have a NEW THEORY

Perhaps the Magneto Guy can somehow affect that ability because of his influence on the earth's magnetic field? I know it doesn't make sense as deeply as we look into things, but I'm just throwing that out there.

popkorn615 · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:06 am Post subject:

I see what you mean, Jock.

My only explanation for that scene in the GN - inconsistency - that which made up Season 2, lol.

They made it clear that The Haitian could stop chronokinesis (in "Five Years Gone") and electrokinesis (in "Four Months Ago"). IMO, I still think in the GN there was nullifier somewhere, but at the time, I don't think that the writers knew how to handle it, which is why they showed us that Peter could still use electrokinesis while neither of them could stop time.

Either that, or the nullifier in the GN didn't develop his/her ability to be able to nullify physical abilities, just mental ones.

Eh, just a possibility...