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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wolves_arsenal wrote:
just seen an interesting theory online......its not the same future that hiro traveled back in time frm therefore he maynot actually get the scar.

however that would then mean that peter/hiro do actually exist outside of time. sort olike thy can remember the other timeline but alsohae the memories of the "new" future that would be a clever way of getting round the pardox that would be created would it not?


Well, I thought the writers confirmed that we will see how Peter (could) get the scar. As for whether that stays or not, we shall see.

And IMO, it's DEFINITELY not the same future that Hiro travelled to in Season 1. How do we know? Because we are already told that Future Hiro will be making an appearance, and the writers have already confirmed that the Future Hiro we will see is not the same Future Hiro in "FYG," which means that it must be a different timeline.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got this off HeroesWiki:

It is unclear how Peter can scar since he has absorbed Claire's spontaneous regeneration. Writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said about Peter's scar, "First, it is not a mistake, Peter can regenerate, but he still has the scar. Secondly, we'll show you how later on in the series. We promise."

So, if he can regenerate at the time of getting the scar it has me thinking either

A. Theres some type of Kriptonite they could introduce, Peter gets smashed in the face with it thus leaving the scar
or
B. Hiro (or however has timetravel ability) tries to kill Peter, and the only way he thinks he could do it is by going back in time before he had powers and fight with him thus giving him the scar..

And I know if someone went back in time you would see it from the begining, but if the future has not arrived yet how can someone come back in time to give him the scar, and maybe we're watching another timeline...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they really have to come up with a brilliant way of dealing with th paradox situations that time travel causes.......otherwise its a pretty useless power to have lol
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they will come up with a way of explaining a lot of the inconsistencies. I have faith in Season 3.

What I want to understand is how "present Peter" is so "weak" when he is the strongest character by far. I mean, the guy has displayed multiple use of powers with an expertise to go along with it. (like a compressed energy burst to destroy a virus) But he can't phase and shoot energy beams at people or TK or anything? C'mon.... Just imagine if he could phase and at the same time TK or zap people with energy bursts. UNSTOPPABLE...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think that may be the reason if they do that so soon he willbe unstopabl ad essentially biggr than the show.........and if they made someone that powerfull and killed him off thenthyd have to build a newcharactorup to that power all over again
but i wish they would just change the descriptin of his power to something like can use multiple powers at a time however both using multiple powers aa time may redude the effectiveness of the used abilities sightly
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Peter is near the Hatian, it is easy to see him getting the scar. It doesn't have to involve any time travel or anything that complicated; when the Hatian is near, Peter's powers are nullified and he can't instantly regenerate. The issue becomes the constant presence of the Hatian to prevent Peter's healing until the wound begins to scar, but that could be taken care of by a temporary ability-nullifying "antidote," which may be what the antidote that Mohinder created is.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If Peter is near the Hatian, it is easy to see him getting the scar. It doesn't have to involve any time travel or anything that complicated; when the Hatian is near, Peter's powers are nullified and he can't instantly regenerate. The issue becomes the constant presence of the Hatian to prevent Peter's healing until the wound begins to scar, but that could be taken care of by a temporary ability-nullifying "antidote," which may be what the antidote that Mohinder created is.


This is all very true - however, we must remember that The Haitian is ultimately working for Angela, which means that he's working in her best interest. Peter is Angela's son, and she loves him dearly, as can be seen in the first two episodes of Season 3 (I'm referring to Angela's devotion to Present Peter, not Future Peter), not to mention the 2nd episode of Season 1. Thus, if The Haitian is working in favor of Angela's interests, I don't think he'd willingly stop Peter from healing. Maybe if Peter was going nuclear, The Haitian could intervene somehow and allow Peter to get hurt so that he wouldn't explode, but as for not allowing Peter to heal over a period of time, I don't think it's The Haitian's fault. That's just my take on things at least.

It's been mentioned by someone that Peter's scar has something to do with his trip to the Future, and Future Claire cutting him open, as seen in the preview clip from Monday night. I think whoever said that might be onto something...

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the thing thatu hve to cnsider is that the hatian CANT block all abilities the ones that are on all the time like regeneration, invisibility and induced radiation cant b fully blocked by the haitian as its only ones that require concentration that he can block
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I remember now, it was Obsidian who had the "Peter gets his scar from when Claire cuts him open during his visit to the future" theory, which I do have a question about:

There are some discrepancies in regards to the timeline when we think about Peter's scar. Didn't Peter, in the GN "Walls", have the scar when he broke the prisoners out? At the time, the GN sort of coincided with "Five Years Gone," so we could assume that that scar, and the scar that Future Peter had in "FYG", were caused by the same situation, whatever that situation was.

However, if your theory proves true, and Peter gets his scar from Future Claire cutting him open during his visit to the future, then the scar in first timeline wouldn't make sense at all, because in that timeline, Claire never went evil, thus she never would have had the chance to give Peter the scar.

Furthermore, if the P. Peter / F. Claire scar scenario comes true, the only possible explanation I have is this: Perhaps the scar can be likened to the Charlie situation. Charlie was destined to die by non-natural causes no matter what. It's just that there could have been two possible methods for her death - Sylar, or aneurysm. Perhaps Peter is destined to get the scar no matter what, only this time around it will be different from the scar in "FYG" / "Walls."

Am I making sense? Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you are basically saying that no matter how hard they try to change things, there are certain constants that are going to come to pass - which can include seemingly minor things like Peter getting his scar.

Or maybe, just maybe, the scar is important simply because Peter already knows about it. Bear with me here - Hiro told him he looks different without the scar. That is now in Peter's past - he knows it to be true that he will get a scar - one which Future Hiro knew all about. Due to this, he is now destined to receive said scar no matter what, because it the past says so.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theory on Peter getting scar: Something happens that cancels out his power (eclipse, virus, another super, too much caffine - dont know what exactly), so that when he gets cut (either by Claire, Hiro, someone) he is unable to heal. His inability to heal (along with his other abilities) is cancelled out long enough for his body to heal normally thus leaving a scar. The cancellation of powers is undone (again, I dont know how exactly), the scar remains, and it is able to be covered up with some shape-shifting (or something).

Kinda loose, but I think it explains HOW he could get the scar.

Question: If Peter can TK, why is he just laying there and letting Claire cut away?? Also when Sylar tried to cut into Peter... Peter healed faster than he cut... Why could Claire not do the same thing??
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably a HUGE stretch, but what if Future Peter is not really PETER?!?! I think it is a huge No-No (as in Rule #1) to travel back in time and do something to your "present" self. FP put PP in the body of another person, so what does that mean about the actual body of PP? Is it in an apartment somewhere or a ditch? If PP's body dies (gets eaten by wolves, burnt along with the apartment, etc.), then does PP die which would mean FP would die? Also, if FP is not Peter, then that might HELP explain how he gets the scar.

Something to think about and possibly run with...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

popkorn615 wrote:
Ah, I remember now, it was Obsidian who had the "Peter gets his scar from when Claire cuts him open during his visit to the future" theory, which I do have a question about:

There are some discrepancies in regards to the timeline when we think about Peter's scar. Didn't Peter, in the GN "Walls", have the scar when he broke the prisoners out? At the time, the GN sort of coincided with "Five Years Gone," so we could assume that that scar, and the scar that Future Peter had in "FYG", were caused by the same situation, whatever that situation was.

However, if your theory proves true, and Peter gets his scar from Future Claire cutting him open during his visit to the future, then the scar in first timeline wouldn't make sense at all, because in that timeline, Claire never went evil, thus she never would have had the chance to give Peter the scar.

Furthermore, if the P. Peter / F. Claire scar scenario comes true, the only possible explanation I have is this: Perhaps the scar can be likened to the Charlie situation. Charlie was destined to die by non-natural causes no matter what. It's just that there could have been two possible methods for her death - Sylar, or aneurysm. Perhaps Peter is destined to get the scar no matter what, only this time around it will be different from the scar in "FYG" / "Walls."

Am I making sense? Thoughts?


I agree, my thought on the scar is, it's just one of those things that will happen no matter the circumstances surrounding it. The explosion was never stopped, what was avoided was the destruction of NY. Charlie was always destined to die young, and she did, and Peter's stuck with the scar.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ambience 327 wrote:
So you are basically saying that no matter how hard they try to change things, there are certain constants that are going to come to pass - which can include seemingly minor things like Peter getting his scar.


Precisely... I believe that the major things are the ultimate results of situations - Charlie's death... the explosion... Peter's scar... what I see as seemingly minor is the series of events that lead up to those results, only because those events can change from timeline to timeline.

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Or maybe, just maybe, the scar is important simply because Peter already knows about it. Bear with me here - Hiro told him he looks different without the scar. That is now in Peter's past - he knows it to be true that he will get a scar - one which Future Hiro knew all about. Due to this, he is now destined to receive said scar no matter what, because it the past says so.


True, Ambience. Very good point, and I don't think that's far out there at all. Kudos Cool

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Theory on Peter getting scar: Something happens that cancels out his power (eclipse, virus, another super, too much caffine - dont know what exactly), so that when he gets cut (either by Claire, Hiro, someone) he is unable to heal. His inability to heal (along with his other abilities) is cancelled out long enough for his body to heal normally thus leaving a scar. The cancellation of powers is undone (again, I dont know how exactly), the scar remains, and it is able to be covered up with some shape-shifting (or something).

Kinda loose, but I think it explains HOW he could get the scar.


And that's precisely why theories about the scar have been formulating ever since "Five Years Gone" aired. The fact that Peter has Claire's ability poses the problem, because it implies that the healing PROCESS itself was hindered - nicely explained, BHuston. If Peter didn't have regeneration, there would be millions of explanation as to how Peter could have gotten the scar, which would ultimately make our theorizing useless. However, Peter does have Claire's power, which means that our choices as to how Peter could have gotten the scar, and options as to how the healing could have been stopped, are limited, which ironically makes this a much harder theorizing process. Bah, I hope we find out soon...


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