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Yeah, I wasn't much of a fan of that ether, Murph... but it did sort of develop Claire's ability, which I sort of like.
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There is a reason Peter hasn't used Sylar's other abilities..
He has no clue as to what they are. He's never seen Sylar use anything but tk, so when he reaches into his file cabinet of abilities to pull out the Sylar file, tk is the only one in there, and the rest are classified and have a black line through them. (weird analogy)
if he sees Sylar do something else, he may be able to do it though, but until then, he has no clue. Hell, Sylar rarely ever even uses his other abilities... arent there, like, 6 powers we've never even seen? |
While I do believe that's the main reason the writers are implying, there are there holes I see in that explanation, Action, each one having to do with another ability.
1) How did Peter know he could phase through a wall? How did Peter involuntarily phase through the rope ties? He never saw DL phase at all.
2) How did Peter recall super-strength in Wandering Rocks Pub when he punched McSorley's son in "Lizards?" Sure, he saw Niki hit Sylar with a parking meter, but that, in my opinion, is not a clear way of displaying super-strength. It's not that hard to pick up a parking mete, even if it's filled with quarters, especially when adrenaline is running through your body.
3) How did Peter recall electrokinesis? Yeah, he saw Elle using it, but that was BEFORE he was mindwiped. Peter had no idea about any of his abilities, and the first one he recalls is one he's never used before? Hmm... 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| popkorn615 wrote: |
Yeah, I wasn't much of a fan of that ether, Murph... but it did sort of develop Claire's ability, which I sort of like.
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There is a reason Peter hasn't used Sylar's other abilities..
He has no clue as to what they are. He's never seen Sylar use anything but tk, so when he reaches into his file cabinet of abilities to pull out the Sylar file, tk is the only one in there, and the rest are classified and have a black line through them. (weird analogy)
if he sees Sylar do something else, he may be able to do it though, but until then, he has no clue. Hell, Sylar rarely ever even uses his other abilities... arent there, like, 6 powers we've never even seen? |
While I do believe that's the main reason the writers are implying, there are there holes I see in that explanation, Action, each one having to do with another ability.
1) How did Peter know he could phase through a wall? How did Peter involuntarily phase through the rope ties? He never saw DL phase at all.
2) How did Peter recall super-strength in Wandering Rocks Pub when he punched McSorley's son in "Lizards?" Sure, he saw Niki hit Sylar with a parking meter, but that, in my opinion, is not a clear way of displaying super-strength. It's not that hard to pick up a parking mete, even if it's filled with quarters, especially when adrenaline is running through your body.
3) How did Peter recall electrokinesis? Yeah, he saw Elle using it, but that was BEFORE he was mindwiped. Peter had no idea about any of his abilities, and the first one he recalls is one he's never used before? Hmm...
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The only one I'll even attempt to guess on is #1. If I were tied to a chair I would at least wish I could phase through things as I fruitlessly struggled in my binds.
Now with the other two questions...I really would like to hear someone's explanation because I can't come up with anything.. |
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| I totally get what you're saying, Komba. However, I do believe that super-hearing is something that can be 'turned off' or 'controlled,' but ONLY by Sylar... |
The problem i see with that is that sylar seems to have all powers he gains very much under control when he first gains them due to his as you called it intuitive aptitude, howver when sylar gained super hearing he had headaches from it just like the woman he took it from (i cant remember her name). she said she got headaches from it when it first developed. even sylar seemed to have no control over super hearing as can be seen in "Parasite" when mohinder tortures him into admitting who he is by use of sound |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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3 things:
1. Peter was having an overall information overload at the time he exploded, so the superhearing headaches could have been part of that, since he really didn't know and couldn't explain what was happening to him.
2. I don't think Peter actually has to see someone use a power to gain it. I think he just has to be in close proximity of the person, whether they use the power or not. At least that's what the writers seem to be conveying.
3. Telekenesis isn't the only power Peter used that he got from Sylar. He also got Ted's ability from Sylar, for if I remember correctly, he was never near Ted at any point last season, was he? I'm having a hard time remembering, but it seems he got that from Sylar also. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: What did you say??? |
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Led, you of the 200+ posts, have an ability absorbtion that wrong? Wow...maybe we AREN'T all infallible after all.
Peter absorbed Ted's power directly from Ted when he and Claire run into Ted, Matt & HRG at the beginning of "The Hard Part" (or is it "Landslide"?). Remember it was the episode cliffhanger, Peter started to glow and he tells Claire "Shoot me!".
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In an upcoming episode Peter's nose starts to bleed as he uses TK to try to remove a safe door.
Ummmmm.... liquification anyone? Oh, silly Peter. Oh, silly writers. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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That's an interesting thought, Murph... I like it! However, it still doesn't explain how Adam and/or Peter knew about the phasing... hmm...
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The problem i see with that is that sylar seems to have all powers he gains very much under control when he first gains them due to his as you called it intuitive aptitude, howver when sylar gained super hearing he had headaches from it just like the woman he took it from (i cant remember her name). she said she got headaches from it when it first developed. even sylar seemed to have no control over super hearing as can be seen in "Parasite" when mohinder tortures him into admitting who he is by use of sound |
Komba, super-hearing isn't the only ability Sylar has had trouble with controlling at first. In "Six Months Ago," we find out that he had trouble controlling TK after he absorbed it from Brian Davis (he accidentally TK'd Chandra's cup across the room). In my opinion, it's clear that Sylar is able to now control super-hearing because of one factor: the ipod. Dale says the only thing that can drown out the other sounds is the iPod blasting hip-hop music. Sylar, doesn't need an iPod to drown out other sounds, yet he is still able to control his ability so that he specifically hears Peter, Claire, Ted, Matt, and HRG talking in the beginning of "Landslide."
The situation in Mohinder's apartment is completely different. Mohinder used curarae on Sylar so that he would not be able to control his abilities, which is why the tuning fork was painful.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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In an upcoming episode Peter's nose starts to bleed as he uses TK to try to remove a safe door.
Ummmmm.... liquification anyone? Oh, silly Peter. Oh, silly writers. |
I agree Talmidi - they could definitely have used liquification on this one.
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| Komba, super-hearing isn't the only ability Sylar has had trouble with controlling at first. In "Six Months Ago," we find out that he had trouble controlling TK after he absorbed it from Brian Davis (he accidentally TK'd Chandra's cup across the room). |
i think thats understandable because it was the first power he had stolen. after he had taken a few powers he was immediately able to use them perfectly since he was used to it, for instance Zane Taylor's power. Sylar used it perfectly even though he had gained it shortly before Mohinder arrived.
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| The situation in Mohinder's apartment is completely different. Mohinder used curarae on Sylar so that he would not be able to control his abilities, which is why the tuning fork was painful. |
True, but the car door slamming and Mohinder talking, the day after he took the power was also giving him a headache, and it was rap music that drowned out the other sounds, not hip hop 
also Sylar managed to use his abilities despite being drugged, he just had to concentrate. Which i think is also the reason Sylar was able to hear Peter, Claire, Matt, and Noah talking. When you listen for something specific you have to concentrate on it to hear it through the background noise , correct? Its the same concept except imagine having super hearing. It would just be a matter of concentration and you could hear peoples exact words from even miles away. |
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| Wow, Maxx Hitpoints, I don't know how I forgot about that. I must not have had my coffee yet when I posted that. Can someone delete that post so I can save face lol (kidding) |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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PK, trust me, i chalk up the phasing thing to bad writing ENTIRELY.
the others could have various justifications, but honestly, i dont even feel like trying because of how it ALL is probably a result of half thought out writing or new writers not familiar enough with the mythology of the show. |
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| popkorn615 wrote: |
| Komba, super-hearing isn't the only ability Sylar has had trouble with controlling at first. In "Six Months Ago," we find out that he had trouble controlling TK after he absorbed it from Brian Davis (he accidentally TK'd Chandra's cup across the room). |
i think thats understandable because it was the first power he had stolen. after he had taken a few powers he was immediately able to use them perfectly since he was used to it, for instance Zane Taylor's power. Sylar used it perfectly even though he had gained it shortly before Mohinder arrived. |
However, Mohinder confirms that there were 6 other Sylar-type murders that we do not know about, which means that Sylar probably has 6 other powers that we don't know about. While TK was Sylar's first acquired ability, the 6 other 'unknown' abilities were probably obtained between "Six Months Ago" and when Mohinder moves to New York. Sylar probably had the same difficulty with controlling those abilities that he did with TK.
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| The situation in Mohinder's apartment is completely different. Mohinder used curarae on Sylar so that he would not be able to control his abilities, which is why the tuning fork was painful. |
it was rap music that drowned out the other sounds, not hip hop |
Well, rap is often interchangable with the term hip-hop, and as a musician I find that hip-hop seems to be the more commonplace term  But yes, Dale does say 'rap.'
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also Sylar managed to use his abilities despite being drugged, he just had to concentrate. Which i think is also the reason Sylar was able to hear Peter, Claire, Matt, and Noah talking. When you listen for something specific you have to concentrate on it to hear it through the background noise , correct? Its the same concept except imagine having super hearing. It would just be a matter of concentration and you could hear peoples exact words from even miles away. |
Exactly, which means that he can control the ability, and that it's not always in "on and hear everything" mode  |
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PK, trust me, i chalk up the phasing thing to bad writing ENTIRELY.
the others could have various justifications, but honestly, i dont even feel like trying because of how it ALL is probably a result of half thought out writing or new writers not familiar enough with the mythology of the show. |
I trust you - and I agree with everything you have said... ~sigh~ I just wish they would get their act together... the whole phasing thing was a humungous slip-up. |
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| Exactly, which means that he can control the ability, and that it's not always in "on and hear everything" mode |
The way i see it super hearing is just greatly enhanced hearing. if im right then super hearing is always on, but concentrating on what your listening to(just like with our hearing) helps you hear beyond the background noise...so yes, he has some control of it. but i dont think that its an ability that just stops working when you want it to, if it was i doubt very much sylar would have activated it when it was giving him such a headache. he would have stopped using it for a while to let his headache pass and only use it when he has a reason to |
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