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hatcher · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: Hiro and Inertia

So, let's say Hiro is on a plane that is going down. If he stops time just prior to impact, opens the emergency door, unloads everyone to a safe distance away and then restarts time, are those people still falling at a terminal velocity and feel the same impact they would in the plane now on the ground where they are sitting, or does that go away? Also, let's say Hiro is falling out of a plane and teleports himself to the ground; does he continue to carry that same speed, or does it go away?

Sorry, my flight was delayed about 2.5 hours yesterday and it gave me a lot of time to sit and think.

sami · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject:

considering he moved from Japan to New York... which would have nearly opposite radial velocities... and he went from standing still to standing still..

Inertia and conservation of momentum do not apply.

Hercules67 · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject:

Time is part of the fundamental forces of the universe. It beats -- hands down -- INERTIA, anytime Hiro uses it.

So in your scenario, he can do what he has to do, and not worry about physical effects. Time "tramps" inertia.

hatcher · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject:

sami · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject:

rotational speed isn't identical...
1) velocity is a vector with a directional component. Japan say in the evening has a velocity away from the sun, New York at the same time (morning) has its velocity towards the sun.
2) I'm not sure of the exact latitude of each city, but the closer to the equator the greater to scale of the vector, would also come into play.
3) season. Only at the equinox would both vectors be parallel in the solar plane. Summer would incline the Japan vector and decline the New York one.

etc...., etc...

hatcher · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject:

sami · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject:

oh I agree... if he moved it 2 inches down - it would carry on..

But what if he turned it around? would it fly backwards, or fly the way it came?

Hercules67 · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject:

Ok, I guess here's my point in simpler terms:

If he "unloads" the plane, as you termed it, then in his plane (or frame) of reference those people are stopped. Let's say he stops the plane 5 feet before it hits the ground. That gives him the ability to get them out of the plane and to safe distance while time is frozen.

Now, after every passenger has been removed and time is restarted, that doesn't mean that those passengers have re-acquired the momentum of the plane when it was falling. He basically moved them from the airplane's frame of reference to Hiro's frame of reference. So, the airplane, WITH ALL OF IT'S original momentum SMUCKS into the ground exploding and doing all sorts of fireballs and what have you damage. But, no one is on board. And none of those people have that momentum.

Does that make sense?

Same with the bullet!

IF Hiro was to push the bullet, while it is frozen in time, it no longer responds just to forces imparted on it by it's original frame (or plane) of reference, but also by Hiro's new (HIGHER) frame of reference. His frame of reference which adds the dimension of time, therefore TRAMPS any INERTIA that original frame of reference might have imparted on the system.

Have I made things clearer, or more confusing?

hatcher · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject:

hatcher · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:

sami · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject:

hatcher · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: