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The two producers and writers instrumental in the creation of the show from the very first episode have been fired by NBC execs upset with the direction the show has headed toward.

The boat has been rocked....

Talmidi Orha · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject:

You mean I'm not crazy after all?! eek

I am suddenly optimistic about this show for the first time since the third or fourth episode of Volume 2.

The only bad news is that the story has been plotted out well into Volume 4. Hopefully they'll be able to course-correct before this now-fired "creative" team's stamp gets the show canceled.

Then again, the LA Times says, "This feels like the beginning of the end."

With the ratings plummeting and the show being accused of being "overstuffed" rather than "complex," those of you who still truly adore this show should try to enjoy the remaining episodes of the 2008-9 season, as it may be the last.

wolves_arsenal · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject:

i cant see it being the last. i think there will be another 2 seasons at least
but if they keep on with having the same stoylines for different charactors or if they dont kill and introdece charactors in a better mor effective way then i thnk that it may be in trouble
londerman coming back was soooooo crap its not even funny. the pupper guy was crap, black hole guy althugh he was crap he was important i think claire is increasingly annoying bt through all that at least knox is a brilliant charactor
if the are gonna keeo taking peter or sylars abilities away hey should just kill them off for good, no comebacks for them jus get rid of thm because its annoying
aythoughts?

Talmidi Orha · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject:

Action Figure · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject:

Did you read that Entertainment Weekly? It was awful. Their suggestions were worse than all of season 2.

But it does seem that was the final straw to have NBC fire the duo.

But no, you arent right. Its just as much that they were fired for the PRODUCING aspect of their jobs as the shows are well over 4 million a piece, and you have to remember that the NBC execs have final say on everything, which of course means that the same execs doing the firing now are the ones who approved the stuff they are complaining about. Sounds to me like some execs are saving their own necks.

popkorn615 · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:29 am Post subject:

First off, as Action points out, the suggestions from Entertainment Weekly were dumb, and chances are they were of course written by someone who probably has seen many, or even all of the episodes, but still isn't a diehard fan like we are. The suggestions hardcore fans like us and those around the world make for the show should have more weight than what Jeff Jensen, the article writer for Entertainment Weekly, has to say. After all, we as a whole are the ones who create the ratings, not Jeff or Entertainment Weekly. And anything that sounds like a good idea in that article was probably taken and plagiarized from someone on a Heroes forum somewhere. But MOST importantly, if you read the date on WHEN the polls were taken from, you'd notice that the ratings were from:

1) Season 1, episode 9

2) Season 2 episode 1

3) Season 3, episode 4

How on EARTH is that fair and/or consistent poll? Info from episode 1 of EACH season would be more accurate, but no - they couldn't do that because it would weaken their argument that Heroes is going downhill, because the ratings from each of the three episode 1's would be closer in number of viewers. Entertainment Weekly was just looking for a story. I'm not arguing that Heroes has increasing fewer viewers - I KNOW it does, but so what if a show has gone down in ratings in following seasons? I guarantee you most other great shows have lower ratings in following seasons after the first, just like Heroes. And I'm not talking about 2nd seasons, I'm talking about 3rd, and 4th, and 5th seasons. You prove me wrong. That's how it normally goes with all television shows.

Secondly, (back to the topic at hand) I think letting go of Loeb and Alexander was a horrible horrible move. Loeb was a (the) mastermind when it came to the super-powered premise of the show. The execs are dummies, and they've made the wrong move.

All's I know is that I'm very pissed about this decision. I agree that Kring and the NBC execs are just trying to save their a$$es. Emphasis on the $$$$$$$$$. I would have fired Kring before Loeb anyday. KRING didn't even know who the hell MAGNETO was!!!! (and yet his name gets CREDITED to a show about SUPER POWERS!!!).

Here's a direct quote:

Talmidi Orha · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:56 am Post subject:

popkorn615 · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:34 am Post subject:

Resolution to Problem 1: Too Many Heroes

The process of elimination has already begun - with Niki, Bob, Maury, Adam, and Maya. Someone from Entertainment Weekly didn't get the memo.

Resolution to Problem 2: Absurd Plot Twists

Umm... apparently, they've also not received the memo on this either. Remember when we found out that Horned Rimmed Glasses guy was actually the cheerleader's dad? Or when the brother that thought he could fly nearly fell to his death, and that the OTHER brother was actually the one that could fly? Or when the cute next door neighbor girl actually worked for the super-powered Company? Or when the flying man was the cheerleader's BIO dad? Or when the infamous mafia-type underground guy that was connected to each character was actually the head of The Company? Or when Future Flying Man was actually the villain disguised by illusion? Plot twists have been a part of Heroes since Season 1, Episode 1. That's what makes Heroes Heroes, and now in Season 3, we're being shown how true Peter's words from Season 1 - "I think we're all connected" - really are.

Resolution to Problem 3: Overheightened Reality

The only reason that everybody is tied to a super-powered team is because we've found out that these ability manifestations didn't just happen recently - powers have been around for the past FOUR HUNDRED YEARS. What do they expect? If something is around that long, there are bound to be groups of people (however small they may be), that come together with similar interests. It happens in politics. It happens in religion. It can sure as hell happen with super-powers. What are they going to complain about next - the X-Men? The Fantastic Four? The Justice League? And the fact that NOBODY knows of The Company is exactly what brings the show back DOWN TO EARTH - if there was a secret race of specials, do you really think the government, or organization, would divulge that information to normal people? C'mon....

Resolution to Problem 4: Stale Storytelling

Points #1, 2, and 4 I will agree with. 3 partially. Definitely not 5. This is a show about super-powers. What do you expect? Them all to go to a playground and swing on some swings and have a game of super-powered tag? As with any super-powered show (as Future Gabriel said), "The world always needs saving." If our Heroes didn't have to save the world in some way or another, then the show, and even the TITLE ITSELF, would be meaningless.

Resolution to Problem 5: Heroes is too disposable

Why on earth would they publicly set an end date? Just to get our hopes up and force us to mark a point on our calendars when we should prepare for future boring Monday nights? I'd rather be told of the final season when it comes around... not now. And if you're talking about setting end dates within Seasons, then they do that already - "Villains" is 13 episodes, and "Fugitives" is 12.

Action Figure · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject:

As for the EW article:

Point 1 is being addressed.

Point 2 is true

Points 3 and 4's provided solutions cancel each other out. Apparently this idiot didnt get his OWN memo. How do you return to your roots and get a new bag of tricks?

Point 5 is absurd. This isn't lost. Clearly the guy who wrote this is a lost fanboy if he is going to try to apply something from that show to this one. Lost was created with a certain end point.... eventually they'd HAVE to get off that island. Heroes is open ended. What a moron.

As for PK's first post. I disagree with a couple things. I think part of the PROBLEM is that they have been listening to fans. I'm sorry, but the majority of us dont have good ideas. There are a few of us who could probably help steer that ship, but I feel it was when fan reaction began affecting the writing of the show back at the end of season 1.

And Tim Kring over Jeph Loeb? Come on. Tim is the one of the two who can still write a CHARACTER and not just a plot. Read any of Loeb's comics and you'll see that in every medium he works, he makes the characters stupidity serve the plot. And his being there didnt stop them from creating a character who is:

A. A villain
B. German
and C. Magnetokinetic

Sound familiar?

Now etiher way it sucks that Loeb and Alexander are gone, but lets not go to extremes. I dont think any of the show problems have come from Tim. And I'm sure there is someone else familiar enough with comics to help steer that part of things.

popkorn615 · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject:

Perhaps my emotions were getting the best of me, lol...

Talmidi Orha · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: