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Talmidi Orha · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject:

Yeah, many seem to agree that the major derailment followed the Volume 1 finale. A few things would have made the direction of the show much better:

1. D.L., Sylar, and Nathan all died.
2. The Company was left in shambles after Linderman's death.
3. Peter dealt with accidentally killing his brother instead of having his memory erased.

I like Herc's idea about some nosy non-special investigating the explosion in the sky as the Heroes try to lay low.

popkorn615 · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject:

A quick question before I respond:

Tal, was it just that the writing was better in Season 3 of Lost? Or number wise, were there more viewers than in Season 1 and Season 2?

Talmidi Orha · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject:

Hercules67 · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject:

See there is the rub -- the point that PK is missing Talmidi. Let's just say, for argument's sake that Niki and D.L. discover that they have been manipulated -- oh yeah, they do discover that, in the last episode of season 1!!! Does that make them likely to want to participate in conspiracies and stuff? NO!! It makes them more likely to want to hide. One thing it does do, it makes D.L. want to be a "real hero" for his son -- a worthy story line to explore -- something they did, when he joined the fire department, but only for a brief appearance in a damned graphic novel -- WTF??!!! This should have been a 4 or 5 episode arc at least, with his captain wondering how D.L. has these miraculous escapes, and his crewmates wondering why D.L. has such a death wish.

Obviously, then, D.L. is not keeping a low profile, wanting to be a Hero, is he?

How about some reporter in NY investigating election fraud (since today is election day)? How come all those machines got Nathan Petrelli in as Congressman? Wouldn't that be a great story to follow? Maybe somehow catch-up with a disgruntled special who dishes some info about Micah. And then the reporter following Micah at his school. I would have followed this story line.

There are lots and lots and lots of threads that could have taken off naturally from where season one was. Why do we assume that what we have been shown is right or good or makes any sense?

Miracle blood, old conspirators who die before we meet them, etc, etc, etc.

Not much of an improvement. -- I say, it's time to move on to new shows. Has anyone seen: The Mentalist, or The Eleventh Hour or Sanctuary or Fringe. They all have promise. I am not sure which will survive, but they are fresh, compared to Heroes. And that's the problem. Even SMALLVILLE is fresh compared to Heroes!!!

the voice of reason · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject:

If you think back to the early episodes of season 1, Peter's wonderment and feeling there was something inside of him that was driving him to find "something", then getting this confirmed by a meeting with Future Hiro, and still not even knowing quite what he could do he tries to follow that message even though he appears to him through a painting that he will die. The writing in those sequences was sensational. And if that guy is coming back, then so is Heroes.
Other really great ideas from that time was the antagonist in Sylar, even Nikki's story was interesting because it provided a lot of the edge to the show with the violent deaths then "memory loss afterwards", and then the undercurrent that there is a mysterious controller in the background (called "Lindermann"). Isaac's story with needing heroine to paint the future that would frighten him with it's accuracy, and the mysterious HRG who does "bad" things, but later revealed that he cared very much for his adopted daughter and would use that as a driving force in his actions.
Great writing, can't wait for it to come back.

P.S. No Peter = No Heroes

Action Figure · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject:

I have thought since Season 2 that Heroes has lost the magic it had in Season 1. I mean, how long did it take you to pick your jaw up off the floor when Nathan escaped The Haitian and HRG by flying? And then he hit supersonic speed! It was amazing and all it was was flying! This show's grounded realism in the first season is what made even the tiniest of superpowered moments so impressive.

And the people who say that without Milo, Masi, or Hayden the show would be nothing are ridiculous. I've never understood that. For one, they arent bringing in NEW viewers like you are implying PK. If they were going to bring in new viewers, then it would have happened already. Theyve been on for 3 seasons! For two, their characters (as well as Sylar [who isnt interesting anymore anyway] and Arthur now) have the powers that have made the show impossible for the writers. Magic blood and time-travel are killing storylines and requiring these three characters to be stupid in order to serve the plot. And aside from Masi, these actors arent strong enough to keep for their quality. At least Masi is funny. But I'd say in the right hands.. at the very least his character could be brought back to the greatness it was from season 1. We didnt question why he doesnt go back in time all the time back then, and it was for a reason. Good writing made us not think about it and sometimes even explained to us why he didnt.

And like I always say. A character doesnt have to be killed to be off of the show. Maya is a good example of this. So fans could rest assured that their favorite may return w/o magic blood or time travel or whatnot. Everyone wins.

The show is still salvagable, but barely. Somethings gotta happen fast. And I get the feeling Fugitives plotline wont help much.

the voice of reason · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:24 am Post subject:

Great point about Nathan flying. There wasn't actually a lot of action in the 1st season, and that was the point. What there was, you remember with so much intensity - lockers flying at Peter (did he incidently use TK that he just copied so they wouldn't hit him?), Peter stopping the pole with TK in training with Claude, Sylar using TK to move a cup into his hand waiting for Charlie, Sylar escaping the police department (did he fly out? was it TK? how powerful is this super-villain?) Peter and Matt's headaches together for the first time, Sylar v Peter in Mohinder's apartment, Sylar first acquiring super hearing.

None of these were over dramatised but the effect because of the story telling was enormous. Snipets of action with an growth in the character stories. There was the show's magic. But the problems of time travel (which was critical in season 1), immortality, blood that heals, nobody really ever dead, it's a problem.

Glad those guys are gone if this is what they've added into a once great story.

popkorn615 · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:54 am Post subject:

Action Figure · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:47 am Post subject:

admeister · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:55 am Post subject:

Hercules67 · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:21 am Post subject:

admeister · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: .

True, but seriously, Smallville is terrible imo. I watched most of the first season, but it was just the same thing again, and again. I got bored pretty fast. The day when Smallville is better than Heroes is a sad day imo.

Hercules67 · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject:

Here is another gentleman who is 2 episodes behind. However, I found his perspective on hiring Bryan Fuller, interesting:

http://memles.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/the-search-for-a-showsaver-heroes-bryan-fuller-and-nbcs-big-little-problems/

Tell me what you think.

As for SMALLVILLE admeister, you must not have seen any of the recent seasons. They are on par with HEROES, especially the JUSTICE LEAGUE type episodes.